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About the Imexus /Odin I would say the same...

Except for the aesthetic with is much better in the Imexus





http://www.imexusyachts.com

JT

Imexas? Where is that made, I remember the Mast 28 made in Poland? Wherever, it seemed like a splash, this Imexas seems to have it's own shape, is it larger than the M, those little windows add size to the eye although they will not give much view ot the occupants. Seems like every little thing will have a negative about as large as the positive. That gives a sailboat designer a lot to work with.

Sounds right. I think it was determined in other discussions that the Odin 820 = Mast 28 (U.S. market) = Imexus 28.

http://www.macgregor26x.com/forum/viewt ... &sk=t&sd=a

~Bob

Don't forget the Mach 28 from OZ.

~Rich

For those who apparently don't understand the term "splash" in the boat business, it is to almost exactly copy the form of another boat by building molds from an actual sample of the other boat, typically including making a cast of the latter. The Odin/Mast/Imexus and Mach 28 are larger boats than the MacGregors, not "splashes."

I can fairly speculate that most of the family SUV's out there are a class 3 tow vehicle, at least the Jeep Cherokee, Toyota 4runner, Trailblazer, Pathfinder, Explorer, Blazer and a good portion of the half ton pick-ups.

Here are some towing capacities for common SUVs "speculated" as not able to tow the Edge.

Jeep Commander and Grand Cherokee - up to 7,400 pounds

http://www.jeep.com/en/2009/grand_chero ... ty/towing/
http://www.jeep.com/en/2009/commander/c ... ty/towing/

Toyota 4Runner (Specs->Capacities) up to 7,000 pounds

Nissan Pathfinder V6: 6,000 pounds, V8: 7,000 pounds

Volkswagen Touareg2 - 7,716 pounds

Chevy Trailblazer - 5,700-6,800 pounds

Ford Expedition, Explorer, Sport Trac - over 7,000 pounds

Ford F-150 (typical half ton truck) up to 11,300 pounds (although I personally wouldn't tow more than 7,000 pounds or so with a half-ton)

MacGregors boats speak for themselves. EDGE bashing not required.

MOE you forgot the Dodge Durango,with hemi and 2 wheel drive towing capacity is 8940lb.

Moe wrote:

I can fairly speculate that most of the family SUV's out there are a class 3 tow vehicle, at least the Jeep Cherokee, Toyota 4runner, Trailblazer, Pathfinder, Explorer, Blazer and a good portion of the half ton pick-ups.

Here are some towing capacities for common SUVs "speculated" as not able to tow the Edge.

Jeep Commander and Grand Cherokee - up to 7,400 pounds

http://www.jeep.com/en/2009/grand_chero ... ty/towing/
http://www.jeep.com/en/2009/commander/c ... ty/towing/

Toyota 4Runner (Specs->Capacities) up to 7,000 pounds

Nissan Pathfinder V6: 6,000 pounds, V8: 7,000 pounds

Volkswagen Touareg2 - 7,716 pounds

Chevy Trailblazer - 5,700-6,800 pounds

Ford Expedition, Explorer, Sport Trac - over 7,000 pounds

Ford F-150 (typical half ton truck) up to 11,300 pounds (although I personally wouldn't tow more than 7,000 pounds or so with a half-ton)

MacGregors boats speak for themselves. EDGE bashing not required.

Some of the later models of SUV's have evolved with improved towing capabilities over the years. Back in 2004/2005 I was shopping for and purchased my 2004 Chevy Trailblazer (which by the way is spec'd @5300# tow rating with the inline 6 and 4WD) and I came across a few of the SUV's I mentioned and noticed in brochures a 'Disclaimer' that read "properly oufitted" which was explained to me by the dealer to mean that the vehicle in question must be outfitted with the appropriate engine, axle ratio and tow package to meet the advertised tow rating. In my case the 7200# tow rating was reduced because I had the inline 6 and 4WD which not only reduced tow capacity but also CGVWR due to higher base Trailblazer weight. I also looked at a used Ford Exporer only to discover it only possesed a Class II rating as did many other Explorer models i looked at, more recent models may have been upgraded.
For the record, many SUV's out there may be older model years as my neighbors Pathfinder which is only a class 3 like my old '95 Blazer. Ditto for my other neighbors older 4Runner, not everyone is driving around in a gas guzzeling brand spanking new top of the line 2009 SUV loaded to the nines during the current economic climate. Many families are simply keeping the old SUV maintained and repaired while they get their finances back in shape. I can still in all fairness speculate that the majority of SUV's out there are not capable of towing the Edge. It is not bashing but moreso indicating a drawback.
I have noticed of late that the newer SUV's comming to market are being built with towing in mind which I believe I can also fairly speculate is due to retiring baby boomers looking for a vehicle capable of pulling their toys around. The current market places heavier demands on SUV's and trucks for consumers that have towing in mind while at the other end we have the gas misers that are incapable of towing a Mac let alone the Edge.
Moe, I believe it was you who impressed upon us all, the importance of wheelbase when towing, did you not inform us that according to some national RV group that a 110" wheelbase was required for a 20' trailer and for every additional foot another 4" of wheeelbase was required? Do all the vehicles you posted links to meet the wheelbase requirements for a trailer the length of the Edge? My Trailblazer has a 129" wheelbase which is just shy of the 136" required for a Mac. Seems to me your well founded advice has come back to bite you in the A$$.

FWIW the Mack or Mackman 28 made here was almost identical to the inside but beefed up for excellent sailing and motoring, it fell down only with weight , price and just looked ugly IMHO.
If I had a bigger tow vehicle at the time it would probably be in the driveway but when all things are considered RULES.

Terry wrote:Moe, I believe it was you who impressed upon us all, the importance of wheelbase when towing, did you not inform us that according to some national RV group that a 110" wheelbase was required for a 20' trailer and for every additional foot another 4" of wheeelbase was required?

Very good, grasshopper! What you forgot was that I said I thought it was overly conservative. I usually used the example of our 35-foot trailer requiring the 172" wheelbase of a Crew Cab Long Bed by the 4"/foot rule, while we have a 156" Extended Cab Long Bed (3"/foot) and know of an owner with the same trailer having no problem with the 140" Extended Cab Short Bed (2"/foot).

While you were wrong about the towing class, I believe you are right about the wheelbase. But so many have ignored me about that for so long that I've pretty much given up on it.

AAH,

Mr. Moe Miagi,

Some of us recognize that we are mere novices and pay very close attention to your words of wisdom!

(Not joking)