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Saw this thing two weeks ago while sailing off Camp Pendleton in California.



It's exactly what it looks like: Some sort of amphibious tank motoring along with a tender. They gave us a good hard look, but never came over. Chartplotter didn't indicate that we were in restricted waters.

Sorry--didn't get any part of the Mac in the photo.

Matt

That would make for an interesting insurance claim if you were to collide with one of those.

"So you were 5 miles off the coast, minding your own business, when your boat was runover. by a tank?......."

"uh, yes, I can show you the track marks if you like"

And what exactly were you doing in these restricted sand banks !! , Tracing your tracks !

J

It's a AAVP7A1 "P9" - an amphibious troop carrier, not a tank

http://www.technogap.com/fatatt.htm

mastreb wrote:Saw this thing two weeks ago while sailing off Camp Pendleton in California.



It's exactly what it looks like: Some sort of amphibious tank motoring along with a tender. They gave us a good hard look, but never came over. Chartplotter didn't indicate that we were in restricted waters.

Sorry--didn't get any part of the Mac in the photo.

Matt

dlandersson wrote:It's a AAVP7A1 "P9" - an amphibious troop carrier, not a tank

Actually no, it was one of these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedition ... ng_Vehicle

Apparently the replacement for the AAVP7A1, and not yet in service.

Matt

Ok. Now that we know what it is let's get to the analysis:

Expedtionary Fighting Vehicle
Manufacturer General Dynamics
Unit cost US$22.3 million

Weight 38 short tons (34.5 metric tons)
Length 10.67 m (35 ft)
Width 3.66 m (12 ft)
Height 3.28 m (10.7 ft) (turret roof)
Crew 3 crew
Passengers 17 fully equipped Marines (EFVP)
7 command crew (EFVPC)

Armor ceramic/composite
Primary armament 30 mm MK44 cannon (EFVP)
7.62 mm machine gun (EFVPC)
Secondary armament 7.62 mm machine gun (EFVP)
none (EFVPC)
Engine MTU Friedrichshafen MT 883 Ka-524 diesel engine
2,702 hp (2,016 kW) (water), 850 hp (635 kW) (land)
Power/weight 34.48 bhp/ton
Operational range land: 523 km (325 miles)
water: 120 km (74 miles)
Speed road: 72.41 km/h (45 mph)
water: 46 km/h (28.6 mph) (water)

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Macgregor 26M
Manufacturer Macgregor Yacht Corporation
Unit cost US$40,000

Weight 1.25 short tons (empty)
Length 7.87m (25 ft 10 in)
Width 2.39 m (7 ft 10 in)
Height 10.97 m (36 ft) (mast top from waterline)
Crew 1 crew (Skipper...or Admiral depending on who wears the pants in the family)
Passengers 5 overweight beer guzzling buddies (guys day out)
1 spouse, 2 kids, 1 kids friend, and the dog (family outing)

Armor 3/16" thick fiberglass hull
Primary armament Water Guns (for the kids)
Empty Beer Cans (for the guys)
Engine Outboard, 9HP for some...50 HP average...75+HP for those that feel they have to over compensate for something...
Operational range land: 290 km (180 miles) ... best guess at distance one tank of gas can take a V-6 towing this beast
water: 80 km (50 miles) ... estimate with 12 gal gas
Speed road: 105 km/h (65 mph)
water: 32 km/h (20 mph) (water) ... no ballast, lightly loaded, (exceptions for those with compensation issues)

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So which machine wins this battle of the water beasts?

Jim

HEY,,,,,,

Just stick a mast on the top and an "M" on the side and hey presto,,,,,,,,,,,,a new model for Roger....

Could call it the new "Macgregor ATV MPV no need for trailer sailor with additional options for repeling pirates and the like".....or "MacATVMPVNNFTSRP"

Kinda catchy don't ya fink????

Madguy

Boils down to us, the taxpayer.
For 22 mil. I bet it doesn't go under water to catch the mini subs. the cartel is building for way less cost.
Dave

Engine MTU Friedrichshafen MT 883 Ka-524 diesel engine

Really??? We couldnt do better than some Kraut powerplant ??? Dont we still own GM??

Catigale wrote:

Engine MTU Friedrichshafen MT 883 Ka-524 diesel engine

Really??? We couldnt do better than some Kraut powerplant ??? Dont we still own GM??

I thought the Chinese owned GM...don't they own most of the country? Ooops this is becoming Back Room and I am not a member.

Catigale wrote:

Engine MTU Friedrichshafen MT 883 Ka-524 diesel engine

Really??? We couldnt do better than some Kraut powerplant ??? Dont we still own GM??

yeah I know, out here we have to buy our Airforce jets from the yanks.
Q1

Just imagine how many 's you could buy for $22 mil. You could land a whole division of Marines with that. Now that would be a photo! I bet the military would still try to stuff a full on Verado on them.

Ross

Crikey wrote:Just imagine how many 's you could buy for $22 mil. You could land a whole division of Marines with that. Now that would be a photo! I bet the military would still try to stuff a full on Verado on them.

Ross

Just imagine them all trying to beach together in a heavy crosswind

Crikey wrote:Just imagine how many 's you could buy for $22 mil. You could land a whole division of Marines with that. Now that would be a photo! I bet the military would still try to stuff a full on Verado on them.

Ross

Roughly 1000 bare bones Mac Ms. However, I'm sure Roger would discount for an order that large!