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Lowrance (NMEA-2000) Engine Monitoring

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I was browsing the C-Dory forum that was earlier linked by rowdy, and came across several interesting comments relating to the ability for NMEA-2000 network to carry engine performance data. This won't help older Macs, since our engines are too old to have incorporated the protocol. However, those planning for new engines might want to study-UP.

Regarding fuel consumption, an interesting quote on fuel consumption:
... If your already set up with Lowrance then installing the necessary sensor into the backbone is the cheapest way to go ...

As a rule of thumb it takes 1/2 lbs of fuel to make one horse power (for one hour). Gas weighs approx 6.2 lbs per gal. So 1 gallon of gas will support 12-13 hp. if you have a 300 hp engine you will burn about 24 gals of gas in one hour at a constant rate (wide-open) ...
I've never seen this sort of physical conversion to fuel burn, but it seems pretty reasonable. Accepting logic above, my DF-60 would use about 5 gallons at WOT (producing a full 60 hp). In one hour at WOT I'd travel about 22 miles, yielding about 4 miles per gallon. I doubt that I'd get quite that much economy at WOT, but it might be interesting to do some testing of this theory.

For example, I could try running an hour at some easy cruise speed and check absolute consumption by refilling the tank. Say I held 3000 rpms for one hour, producing a steady speed of 12 mph. My Suzuki's power chart indicates that I'm producing 40 hp at 3,000 rpms. According to logic above, I should consume 3.33 gallons (40 / 12). Strangely enough, 3+ gallons is darned close to what I'd expect to use to go 36 miles.
Hmmmm .... :o ( Chip? )

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Power Chart for DF-70 (my DF-60 chart is close to same)
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Regarding Engine Monitoring:
Apparently the Lowrance LMS 332 and 337 are very popular on the C-Dory, most fitted with the same outboards that power our Macs. Anyway, I haven't taken time to verify these quotes from the C-Dory forum, but they allude to functionality of the new network.

I was already aware that you can just plug a Lowrance's fuel flow sensor into the same backbone that links to the transom depth finder, and configure the GPS display to show fuel consumption and fuel remaining in the tanks. This is first I've read of the engine management sensor.
If I was in the market for a new outboard, I'd be checking to see if it "talks" NMEA-2000. :wink:
... There's a new Lowrance Sensor called an EP-20 that is a complete engine management system. It works with most of the 2005-newer (Suzuki) 4 strokes, but it might not work on my 2003 DF 140. (i got to call Suzuki)... but I THINK IT SHOULD WORK.

It gives precise fuel burn by taking readings off the engines ECU (not the fuel line). It also would give other useful info like, engine pressure, temp, rpm's etc.. basically it gives all the data that the motor is outputting while its running.

Good stuff.... also the EP-20 wouldnt require me to splice into my fuel line to get its readings.... yet another plus....

So, Ive got to try and get ahold of someone at suzuki to tell me the scoop as to if my Suzuki was set-up NMEA 2000 compatible or not..
The EP-10 is an in line fuel sensor for the Lowrance ... LMS 332/337 and others. Its super simple to install, just splice into gas line, and the rest is managed on the Lowrance display unit.

I'm holding off for the new EP-20 sensors that will actually read fuel flow off the injectors in the motor, as well as a host of other engine information like Temp, oil press, rpm's, MPG. This sensor connects to the Motor rather than splicing into a gas line...

From the info Ive been able to get they should be out by the end of March. And Work on Suzuki DF series Outboads, as well as I THINK 2005 and newer Yami 4 strokes ...
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The Lowrance rep I spoke with at the Vancouver Boat Show confirmed that there are harnesses for our engine (07 DF70). Reading through the LMS520 manual, it also talks about the EP series of monitors more specifically. If you want more details you can download the manual from Lowrance here:

http://www.lowrance.com/Manuals/Files/L ... 120706.pdf

I have not yet received the LMS520 I have on order, but I have d'loaded the manual and skimed through it.

I have other items further up the priority list than the EP20, but that was the type of thing that helped sway me towards the NMEA2000 architecture; if we decide that we really do want that radar, or AIS, or weather data, we can add it into the mix.
Frank C wrote:Regarding Engine Monitoring:
I was already aware that you can just plug a Lowrance's fuel flow sensor into the same backbone that links to the transom depth finder, and configure the GPS display to show fuel consumption and fuel remaining in the tanks. This is first I've read of the engine management sensor.
If I was in the market for a new outboard, I'd be checking to see if it "talks" NMEA-2000. :wink:
... There's a new Lowrance Sensor called an EP-20 that is a complete engine management system. It works with most of the 2005-newer (Suzuki) 4 strokes, but it might not work on my 2003 DF 140. (i got to call Suzuki)... but I THINK IT SHOULD WORK.
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Has anyone connected an EP-20 to a Suzuki DF-70? I got an EP-20 "almost" hooked-up to my LMS-522. Engine data is working, but I haven't found the trim sensor connection. Its a 2-pin connector that branches off from the main connector.

All the engine data is available (from the main connector), so I'm getting fuel rate, RPM, Hours, etc. What I'm missing is just trim angle, which isn't critical to me.

I'm working on an '05 Suzuki (I've read that the NMEA connection was moved to the helm on the '08 model, and requires an adapter from Suzuki)

One reason I went with an LMS-522 GPS was the potential to interface to the engine. Appreciate the info on this board that pointed me in that direction. Thanks.
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Mark J wrote:Has anyone connected an EP-20 to a Suzuki DF-70? I got an EP-20 "almost" hooked-up to my LMS-522. Engine data is working, but I haven't found the trim sensor connection. Its a 2-pin connector that branches off from the main connector.
Mark,

I still haven't gone there, but will be talking to Lowrance reps about it at the boat shows next month. Still like the idea of having more than just a temp trouble light for a motor worth more than the truck I haul the whole boat with. Keep us posted on how you make out, I'm sure there are many that are interested.

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Post by Mark J »

Hello Shane,
Checked out the Suzuki Engine Interface today and it is displaying data.
RPM, Engine Hours, Alternator Voltage, and Fuel management are available for overlay, or display on a custom page. I've got what I wanted, which was to see was gallons-per-hour, RPM, and speed.

From what I've read, additional data can be displayed on a Suzuki SMIS display (rather than thru my LMS-522). Alarms, temps, and diagnostics perhaps?

Connections (except for the trim sensor) and building the mini-network backbone (with fused & switched power) were straighforward.
Good threads on the ausfish.com and thehulltruth.com forums
Happy New Year,
Mark


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Post by Shane »

That's good to hear about Mark, thanks. Seattle boat show is in 3 weeks, and the Vancouver one in 4, so will following up on it after then. I've got a Suzuki gauge brochure around here somewhere, so will have to go back and look for some of those specifics. Thanks for the details.


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Shane
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