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Is this just me, ?

Long ago I developed the habit of sailing with just a 150% Genoa, on my previous Hunter 22. It sailed about 80% as fast as with two sails, but alot easier.
I have mostly sailed my X-boat same way, with just the furler Genoa, and prefer that way, unless there is an experienced or at least very willing crew member.
Normally land-lubber guests, or powerboat guests, do not take well to shifting around and dealing with the sheets, and I worry about the boom.
So the Genoa alone is my usually preferred mode. In high winds, heeling seems alot more controllable, Visibility is better (my Genny is raised about 18 inches higher than stock) and I can roll up the sail quickly if needed. Night-sailing is a pleasure with the sail shape visible in the steaming light, to me and other craft, and the safety of not having the boom in the often shifting breezes, and reduced visibility of the cat's paws to read puffs.
The main is left fully rigged in its cover on the boom, raised up overhead by the topping lift, and attached to the backstay with a short line, and secured with a line to the pedestal, makeing a good hand-hold and tent support.

:arrow: One problem, and the solution I think......
IT does not close-tack as well this way as the old Hunter 22 did. Most of the time it has problems of going into irons, or if it does come about, at such a speed by that time it has lost momentum and the wind just pushes the bow around way too far downwind before the boat gains enough momentum to head back upwind. Plus pulling the Genoa around the mast is noisy and messy.
Yet if I jibe, the process is much more controllable, the boat spins almost immediately to the other side, even going around 3/4 of a circle, and straightens out on a good tack, with the Genny behaving well and quietly as it's pulled across to the other side.
Ok, I do lose a bit of upwind headway with the circle, but not as much as when going into irons or having to sail downwind to pick up steerage.
Any other thoughts on this from y'all ?
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Jib sailing is another one of those compromise instances.
The trade as you've discovered is that going to weather is harder .
When I've felt lazier than usual I have just motored upwind and then turned and sailed back downwind on jib alone for a nice quiet sail.
Recently had a chance to see how this works on other boats. I just came back from several sails on lake Ontario in a Catalina 30, one was on a windy afternoon just after a storm, flying jib only. The skipper figured it'd be a nice sail with the genny only and it was, with lots of nice big 5 foot rollers to ride. When the mate tacked her the Cat 30 had the same trouble getting across the wind I'd seen on my Mac running the jib only, just bigger and noisier. We ended up just gybing. I usually fly the regular jib since it's often windy. The little jib's near impossible to tack reasonably well, the boat stalls as it comes into the wind and there's not enough inertia to come across the wind. With a reefed main on my X the sail forces balance more and going to weather and tacking both improve.
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I sail with genoa only frequently. Same reasons as you describe. If I'm alone it is much easier and the speed penalty is not that big. I can usually do 70% of what I would do with jib and main.

Coming about is difficult as others have said. So I usually jibe.

Finally, I notice much less healing. The shape of the jib and since it is forward probably explain less healing over (as well as less sail area up).
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ALX357
Sounds like you know your boat and your sailing comfort. I believe the Hunter 22 is a Masthead rig which gets most of its drive from the larger headsail (headstay to top of the Mast) Your X is a Fractional Rig, which produces most of their drive from the Mainsail. The Fractional rigged X is known for balancing better with the Mainsail and headsail. Sailing Baldheaded with main alone is a benefit of the fractional rigged sloop, as the Mainsail is much easier to handle than bringing a genoa around. Sailing with a genoa suffers from a poor sheeting angle (Having to sheet around the large spreaders and the wide chain plates mounted outboard) but is further compounded as the boat will not point well, being a tender boat with a high freeboard, a genoa with a poor sheeting angle, the excess heeling brings a considerable tendency to round up and encumber tacking and pointing.

Maintaining a better sheeting angle (use the #3 working Jib, as it is able to sheet inside the upper and lower with the wide chain plate shroud rigging and swept back spreader. Some have a second Jib track, spaced somewhat outboard, providing options for a better sheeting angle when reaching with the jib.

I like the idea of having a high clew. There is always something about improving your view and confidence, that makes deck sweeping sail performance less desirable for day sailing and cruising, but sails are horsepower and sails cut full hoist improve performances.

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Hey thats a Hunter 22, if I remember my old boat's hull well enough.
Good point about the masthead rig... thanks for the view, They.
Yet at least I have not shortened the Genoa to raise it, instead I raised the hounds. The Mac X does not seem to sail well alone on the main, but I hear the M is better at that. Since I know my X is not a racer, (there is only one other X and no M in the lake) it does not matter if I am 70% or 80% as fast as with 2 sails.
Thanks for the confirming support on the jibe tactic, Ron.
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Other than the first time out I have not had the main or boom on the boat. It is mainly because there is a total of 7 of us (5 adults, one child, and one baby). Not having the boom and main on board leave a lot more room in the cockpit, and more room on top of the main hatch for some to sit or lay down; plus, as stated by others, no worry about the boom swinging etc.

The sailing performance is fine as long as you have decent wind and dont have to sail upwind much. It is a good compromise for the lake sailing we have been doing. In Florida the wind dies down in the summer except for the afternoon thunder storms which you usually dont want to be out in due to lighting.

I will have it back on this fall for some coastal cruising in Tampa Bay and the Gulf.
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I'm suprised at how well some boats sail on just the headsail although there are cautions mentioned in other posts. I was sailing along with a Catalina 25 last year and he had only a genoa. We had a main and jib and he seemed as fast as us upwind. In our races there is usually a Hunter 22. Sometimes we beat him and sometimes he beats us but he runs a main and a headsail.
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They Theirs wrote:ALX357
Sounds like you know your boat and your sailing comfort. I believe the Hunter 22 is a Masthead rig which gets most of its drive from the larger headsail (headstay to top of the Mast) Your X is a Fractional Rig, which produces most of their drive from the Mainsail. The Fractional rigged X is known for balancing better with the Mainsail and headsail. Sailing Baldheaded with main alone is a benefit of the fractional rigged sloop, as the Mainsail is much easier to handle than bringing a genoa around. Sailing with a genoa suffers from a poor sheeting angle (Having to sheet around the large spreaders and the wide chain plates mounted outboard) but is further compounded as the boat will not point well, being a tender boat with a high freeboard, a genoa with a poor sheeting angle, the excess heeling brings a considerable tendency to round up and encumber tacking and pointing.

Maintaining a better sheeting angle (use the #3 working Jib, as it is able to sheet inside the upper and lower with the wide chain plate shroud rigging and swept back spreader. Some have a second Jib track, spaced somewhat outboard, providing options for a better sheeting angle when reaching with the jib.

I like the idea of having a high clew. There is always something about improving your view and confidence, that makes deck sweeping sail performance less desirable for day sailing and cruising, but sails are horsepower and sails cut full hoist improve performances.
Ted Brewer in Good Old Boat March 2005, stated that boat designers in the 1950s through 1970s, himself included, were influenced by ocean racing design rules. These rules ignored the advantages of fractional rigs because there was a rating advantage in going with a smaller-sail-area mast head arrangement. His controversial article claims that vessels designed in this time period were purposefully under canvassed for ocean-racing-rating advantage and that Genoas became popular because they represented a way of getting more suitable sail area on these designs. Genoas provided a loop hole in the design rules in other words. A Genoa is usually 50 percent larger than the standard jib for that vessel.

Today many view mast head sloops as ocean crossing vessels and fractional rig vessels inappropriate for that work. But there are no physics supporting this belief. Mast head sloop rigging is an artifact of ocean racer design rules and nothing more because a fractional rig sloop can assume mast head configuration just by reefing.

Brewer states that - in the absence of the design rules - there will be a trend to smaller head sails and larger mains (like on the M). His statements are based on old head sail technology, however.

Prior to 1999, head sails on rollers did not include necessary reinforcement so that they could be rolled in further than jib size. This meant that it was easier to reef the main when conditions warranted that. Because head sails like those standard on a MacGregor Yacht can be rolled to storm sail size, they are easier to reef than the main. This is probably true on most sloops with roller reefing (as opposed to furling) systems. They also can be rolled in while tacking and backed out again so that there is no disadvantage (in comparison to a jib) in maneuvering. Brewer in Good Old Boat August 2005 argues against roller furling head sails in smaller offshore yachts. He challenges his readers to disagree, which I now do.

The added weight aloft of the roller mechanism is minimal (about the amount of a pulley). There is no problem there. Rolled head sails can be removed from their stays just as a sail using a tuff luff is. It need not remain on the stay as Brewer implies. In fact, sailors now know to remove the sails from the rollers even when in port during storms and hurricanes. The owners manual for the Mac26x instructs operators to drop the mast in extreme conditions. This is analogous to chopping down masts which captains would order when caught in extreme conditions during the days of commercial sail. This valuable heavy weather technique is not available to a vessel with a keel mounted aluminum mast. Deck stepped masts are superior when such mounting allows the mast to be dropped.

The only potential disadvantage to a rolled Genoa on the Mac26x is that when the Genoa is rolled in to a smaller size there might be a decrease in performance. However, a rolled head sail is like a vertical batten, its performance might be better in some conditions and often reduced performance is not a concern when the objective is to depower anyway.

The Tape Drive sail currently on my boat has padding in that virtical batten so that its shape is proper even when partially rolled in. The idea that a storm jib can be positioned low to the deck is silly when you think of sea spray that requires the storm jib to be raised anyway. Macgregor Yachts instructs its operators to use the rolled Genoa as a storm jib.

I will say that most folks are sailing the San Juans with Genoa only. The boats like the M will sail main sail only because of balance. On the X you achieve ballance by retracting the swing keel. That can be done I suspect to some extent on the M but the centerboard on the X really is an upwind performance item when fitted with a 150 Genoa. This is because the extra head sail area allows you to wrap around the shrouds for better pointing.

Anyway. I hope these comments are helpfull. The X really is not a beginner's boat. Beginners often are trained on keel boats not because that is the best training for the new sailor but because it is easy on the instructor who can move crew to different positions without fear of thrills.

I would love comments on the above. A good sailor always gets his/her information from more than one source. When fitted with a 150 Genoa, the X rig's main sail becomes the Genoa because it is the largest sail. This changes much about sailing technique.

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Frank,
lots to digest....
One thing I sometimes ponder, is obtaining a second mast, keeping the original for resale value of the boat, and removing the length of it above the fractional jib-head, to get rid of the height, for bridges and wires, and to make it lighter, both underway and when raising, and to make it more compact for trailering. Re-cut the main to fit, as a smaller auxiliary sail, and shorten the spreaders by 8 inches each side, for better upwind performance. The shorter mast and main would allow a safe reduction in the spreader lengths.
Consider further - a gaff rigged main
That would be quite a rig mod.
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When fitted with a 150 Genoa, the X rig's main sail becomes the Genoa because it is the largest sail. This changes much about sailing technique.
I don't quite follow the logic here. The genoa is 206 sq ft. The main on the M (slightly larger than the X) is 170 sq ft. ????
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ALX357 wrote:One thing I sometimes ponder, is obtaining a second mast, keeping the original for resale value of the boat, and removing the length of it above the fractional jib-head, to get rid of the height, for bridges and wires, and to make it lighter, both underway and when raising, and to make it more compact for trailering. Re-cut the main to fit, as a smaller auxiliary sail, and shorten the spreaders by 8 inches each side, for better upwind performance. The shorter mast and main would allow a safe reduction in the spreader lengths.
I've considered shortening the mast as well, for the same reasons. I think, for the sake of simplicity, I'd look to lop off that portion just above forestay hound but leave the forestay, shrouds, and spreaders stock.

Also, rather than having my mainsail recut, I'd probably just buy a sail from a shorter masted boat. Or, more likely, have one made for the 'new' mast height, stock boom, and with as much roach as possible in order to minizmize loss of sail area. This would shift the mainsail's center of effort rearward, making it more likely to round up. But, if I flew the Spinnaker as a headsail, I could probably overcome that... ;)
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The answer to the roller furling/reefing performance benefits can be found with a simple photograph and a ruler. The forestay at its best, a straight line, sailing on the wind. Forestay sag with both wind and weight of the furling/reefing system (assuredly more than a block we Mac owners make use of.)

Any boat designer attempting to bring out the best of a yacht considers the sheeting angle of headsails, whether masthead or fractional. The wide chain plate placement of the Mac, (at the extreme side of the hull) with wide spreaders enhancing the rig strength, (Benefits using a lighter mast extrusion for cost and weight) any reefed headsail presents a greater profile of the headstay while creating more windage, compromising pointing and performance. The Best sheeting angle as the wind picks up is presented sailing close to the wind with the #3 Working Jib. The fact Shrouds limit the sheeting angle is obvious, and is compounded with the weight of roller furling and further compromised by a heavy luff cover furled sail with or without the benefit of a padded luff. It may well be the best compromise for poor sail shape, adding the padded luff, (Padded Luff is an attempt to capture the excess belly out of the partially rolled genoa) while attempting to minimize the poor shape of the rolled up genoa, but still suffers from the even more increased windage of the ever-bigger rolled sail/pad on the headstay/furler.

Given these facts; the tender Mac attempts to point with the largest headsail fully deployed finding anything more than medium air, overpowering the boat, (Heeling further inhibits the boats ability to sail close to wind as the weight of the furling system increases its load on the headstay sag, creating a deeper draft or Belly in the headsail) rolling up the oversize canvas to bring the boat back on its feet by reducing sail is in no way a substitute for the jibs inboard sheeting, reduced sail area, and clean forestay emergence.

Roller Furling/Reefing is a convenience that provides marginal benefit for sailors wanting the best in his boats performance. They are prone to problems, but have improved over the years. Still, their basic faults are enough for many sailors, cruisers and enthusiasts to pass them up. CDI roller furling is a marginal roller furling, lacking a double groove, adjustable luff tension of value, ability to conveniently change headsails, and hinders the trailer sailor travel and setup.

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I have not mentioned the problems with sewn on Luff Covers or the inconvenience of Headsail Socks. The convenience of roller furling is expensive and compromises your sailing performance. Increased headsail weight and windage with the luff cover, furling unit, and unavoidable headstay sag increasing depth of headsail draft, further compromised by rolling up a portion of the headsail even with a padded luff. Not my choice, but for many a necessary convenience.
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Delevi:
Logic is .... Since the 150% Genoa at 206 sq.ft. is 36 square feet larger than the main at 170 wq.ft., it becomes the PRIMARY sail on the boat. Primary sail or "main" sail in that sense.

Also, 'might point out, if performance was the most essential quality of the boat, 'would not have chosen the Mac. Along with the planing hull, water ballast, high freeboard, less than ideal rig, heavy motor, etc. the furler is a primary feature of my MacX. Whatever compromises made in performance, are more than compensated by the convenience for single-handing, and fast deployment / furling.

What does anyone here know about Gaff Rigging, you know, a gaff spar, with the Gaff sail suspended from it, attached at the mast, but not at the top, and raised by a halyard block at the mast-head.
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They Theirs wrote:The answer to the roller furling/reefing performance benefits can be found with a simple photograph and a ruler. The forestay at its best, a straight line, sailing on the wind. Forestay sag with both wind and weight of the furling/reefing system (assuredly more than a block we Mac owners make use of.)

Any boat designer attempting to bring out the best of a yacht considers the sheeting angle of headsails, whether masthead or fractional. The wide chain plate placement of the Mac, (at the extreme side of the hull) with wide spreaders enhancing the rig strength, (Benefits using a lighter mast extrusion for cost and weight) any reefed headsail presents a greater profile of the headstay while creating more windage, compromising pointing and performance. The Best sheeting angle as the wind picks up is presented sailing close to the wind with the #3 Working Jib. The fact Shrouds limit the sheeting angle is obvious, and is compounded with the weight of roller furling and further compromised by a heavy luff cover furled sail with or without the benefit of a padded luff. It may well be the best compromise for poor sail shape, adding the padded luff, (Padded Luff is an attempt to capture the excess belly out of the partially rolled genoa) while attempting to minimize the poor shape of the rolled up genoa, but still suffers from the even more increased windage of the ever-bigger rolled sail/pad on the headstay/furler.

Given these facts; the tender Mac attempts to point with the largest headsail fully deployed finding anything more than medium air, overpowering the boat, (Heeling further inhibits the boats ability to sail close to wind as the weight of the furling system increases its load on the headstay sag, creating a deeper draft or Belly in the headsail) rolling up the oversize canvas to bring the boat back on its feet by reducing sail is in no way a substitute for the jibs inboard sheeting, reduced sail area, and clean forestay emergence.

Roller Furling/Reefing is a convenience that provides marginal benefit for sailors wanting the best in his boats performance. They are prone to problems, but have improved over the years. Still, their basic faults are enough for many sailors, cruisers and enthusiasts to pass them up. CDI roller furling is a marginal roller furling, lacking a double groove, adjustable luff tension of value, ability to conveniently change headsails, and hinders the trailer sailor travel and setup.

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I have not mentioned the problems with sewn on Luff Covers or the inconvenience of Headsail Socks. The convenience of roller furling is expensive and compromises your sailing performance. Increased headsail weight and windage with the luff cover, furling unit, and unavoidable headstay sag increasing depth of headsail draft, further compromised by rolling up a portion of the headsail even with a padded luff. Not my choice, but for many a necessary convenience.
The Mac26 X and M are thin boats. Some like to say that is for trailering or for fitting in a cargo container. Macgregor yachts claimed that the X points better than any trailerable pocket cruiser and experience proves that out with the 150 Genoa. You have to read the owners manual of course. On the X you are instructed to sheet though the shrouds. The cut of the Genoa must allow for this or it will hit the top spreader. Hence you are not limited to side shroud ajusters. You should also be aware of the cabin top tracks. This allows you to point high when the Genoa is rolled to jib size. Pointing is a function of speed. A fast sailboat will appear to the shore bound observer to point less high than a slow sailboat but of course the proof in the pudding is the reaching of the mark. When a sailor chats of pointing it is pointing to the wind the boat seas. That is the apparent wind. The chainplates on the X, like the chainplates on many Costa Messa Builds are where they are so the vessel can be lifted from there. On my X, I have to use silicon at that point after a hard sail but the company figured out how to stop rain leaks at that point in the M. Again, nether boat is wide enough to be concerned. Lesser designs rely on width rather than hull shape for stability and hence the chain plates are placed half way between the gunwall and cabin top.

Shrouds only limit X sheeting angle on a 110 to 130 Genoa. There were some misguided dealers who fitted X boats with these sails and it was obvious. The 150 wraps around the shroud so you have much more draw in possible.

I laugh at the description of the X as tender. I have had mine out in 45 MPH winds full main and half retracted Genoa but the M does go to her ear quickly. What many do not understand is that in light air you want the sailboat to be tender. This gets wetted surface to a minimum. To do that in an X you blow the ballast. There is no way you can catch others (like Clasics) without doing so because of the extra weight in fiberglass put there for pounding under motor. Well I suppose you can use a flying sail.

Healing is a designer choice. I have determined that the owners manual is correct on healing angle. You want about 17 degrees. The hard side chines of the X dig into the sea serving like shallow keals on a bildge keeler. This is why the X can fly the full 150 Genoa upwind in normal conditions 12 to say 18 knots. That plus the gybing forward foil really do make the vessel an exceptional pointer. In higher winds you are expected to reef the main. Almost all of us reef to an intermediate point where the boat assumes the look of a masthead rig.

The CDI furler is an advanced furler for boats of 30 foot or less. I did upgrade the ball burings but you need to rethink your dislike of this brand. It is a good one. These boats do 17 MPH under sail and are performance vessels when kept factory light. Remember that in a performance vessel sailing down wind will look to the boat like an upwind course because of the combinded speed and true wind.

I didn't want a luff cover as part of the sail. The UK loft did it anyway. You get a lot of gripe from lofts on MacGregor's sock covers the zippers of which they claim chafe Mylar. What we have discovered is that the chaffing happens from 60 MPH winds like you get when trailoring. Hence most will remove the cover - which is for UV protection when trailoring. There are no trade offs - only smart design and of course over time oportunity for even smarter design like the rotating mast on the M.

We seam to disagree but so what. I suspect your sailing style is the style advanced by US Sailing for Keel Boats. During this training you likely were taught to close your mind to advanced designs. There is a reason the X production record will never be beaten. Hand layed fiber and movable ballast (on and off the vessel) with hard side chine (now called extreem U) hull form for stability and planing under sail is just a fantastic combination.

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They Theirs wrote:The answer to the roller furling/reefing performance benefits can be found with a simple photograph and a ruler. The forestay at its best, a straight line, sailing on the wind. Forestay sag with both wind and weight of the furling/reefing system (assuredly more than a block we Mac owners make use of.)

Any boat designer attempting to bring out the best of a yacht considers the sheeting angle of headsails, whether masthead or fractional. The wide chain plate placement of the Mac, (at the extreme side of the hull) with wide spreaders enhancing the rig strength, (Benefits using a lighter mast extrusion for cost and weight) any reefed headsail presents a greater profile of the headstay while creating more windage, compromising pointing and performance. The Best sheeting angle as the wind picks up is presented sailing close to the wind with the #3 Working Jib. The fact Shrouds limit the sheeting angle is obvious, and is compounded with the weight of roller furling and further compromised by a heavy luff cover furled sail with or without the benefit of a padded luff. It may well be the best compromise for poor sail shape, adding the padded luff, (Padded Luff is an attempt to capture the excess belly out of the partially rolled genoa) while attempting to minimize the poor shape of the rolled up genoa, but still suffers from the even more increased windage of the ever-bigger rolled sail/pad on the headstay/furler.

Given these facts; the tender Mac attempts to point with the largest headsail fully deployed finding anything more than medium air, overpowering the boat, (Heeling further inhibits the boats ability to sail close to wind as the weight of the furling system increases its load on the headstay sag, creating a deeper draft or Belly in the headsail) rolling up the oversize canvas to bring the boat back on its feet by reducing sail is in no way a substitute for the jibs inboard sheeting, reduced sail area, and clean forestay emergence.

Roller Furling/Reefing is a convenience that provides marginal benefit for sailors wanting the best in his boats performance. They are prone to problems, but have improved over the years. Still, their basic faults are enough for many sailors, cruisers and enthusiasts to pass them up. CDI roller furling is a marginal roller furling, lacking a double groove, adjustable luff tension of value, ability to conveniently change headsails, and hinders the trailer sailor travel and setup.

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I have not mentioned the problems with sewn on Luff Covers or the inconvenience of Headsail Socks. The convenience of roller furling is expensive and compromises your sailing performance. Increased headsail weight and windage with the luff cover, furling unit, and unavoidable headstay sag increasing depth of headsail draft, further compromised by rolling up a portion of the headsail even with a padded luff. Not my choice, but for many a necessary convenience.
The Mac26 X and M are thin boats. Some like to say that is for trailering or for fitting in a cargo container. Macgregor yachts claimed that the X points better than any trailerable pocket cruiser and experience proves that out with the 150 Genoa. You have to read the owners manual of course. On the X you are instructed to sheet though the shrouds. The cut of the Genoa must allow for this or it will hit the top spreader. Hence you are not limited to side shroud ajusters. You should also be aware of the cabin top tracks. This allows you to point high when the Genoa is rolled to jib size. Pointing is a function of speed. A fast sailboat will appear to the shore bound observer to point less high than a slow sailboat but of course the proof in the pudding is the reaching of the mark. When a sailor chats of pointing it is pointing to the wind the boat seas. That is the apparent wind. The chainplates on the X, like the chainplates on many Costa Messa Builds are where they are so the vessel can be lifted from there. On my X, I have to use silicon at that point after a hard sail but the company figured out how to stop rain leaks at that point in the M. Again, neither boat is wide enough to be concerned. Lesser designs rely on width rather than hull shape for stability and hence the chain plates are placed half way between the gunwall and cabin top.

Shrouds only limit X sheeting angle on a 110 to 130 Genoa. There were some misguided dealers who fitted X boats with these sails and it was obvious. The 150 wraps around the shroud so you have much more draw in possible.

I laugh at the description of the X as tender. I have had mine out in 45 MPH winds full main and half retracted Genoa but the M does go to her ear quickly. What many do not understand is that in light air you want the sailboat to be tender. This gets wetted surface to a minimum. To do that in an X you blow the ballast. There is no way you can catch others (like Clasics) without doing so because of the extra weight in fiberglass put there for pounding under motor. Well I suppose you can use a flying sail.

Healing is a designer choice. I have determined that the owners manual is correct on healing angle. You want about 17 degrees. The hard side chines of the X dig into the sea serving like shallow keals on a bildge keeler. This is why the X can fly the full 150 Genoa upwind in normal conditions 12 to say 18 knots. That plus the gybing forward foil really do make the vessel an exceptional pointer. In higher winds you are expected to reef the main. Almost all of us reef to an intermediate point where the boat assumes the look of a masthead rig.

The CDI furler is an advanced furler for boats of 30 foot or less. I did upgrade the ball bearings but you need to rethink your dislike of this brand. It is a good one. These boats do 17 MPH under sail and are performance vessels when kept factory light. Remember that in a performance vessel sailing down wind will look to the boat like an upwind course because of the combinded speed and true wind.

I didn't want a luff cover as part of the sail. The UK loft did it anyway. You get a lot of gripe from lofts on MacGregor's sock covers the zippers of which they claim chafe Mylar. What we have discovered is that the chaffing happens from 60 MPH winds like you get when trailoring. Hence most will remove the cover - which is for UV protection - when trailoring. There are no trade offs - only smart design and of course over time oportunity for even smarter design like the rotating mast on the M.

We seam to disagree but so what. I suspect your sailing style is the style advanced by US Sailing for Keel Boats. During this training you likely were taught to close your mind to advanced designs. There is a reason the X production record will never be beaten. Hand layed fiber and movable ballast (on and off the vessel) with hard side chines (now called extreem U) hull form for stability and planing under sail is just a fantastic combination. The X is often compared to a race boat. She is more of a race trainer IMO but I always am proud when the comparisons are made. Bethwait 4th mode sailing is useful on this design. You can learn only one mode of sailing on lesser designed sailboats.

Frank L. Mighetto
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