Any thoughts on which would be more useful... a regular 100 % or a 110%
(if that is what i think it is... jib that comes back past the mast a little bit)
I have the hank-on jib with removable forestay wire rigged up as an alternative to the furler Genoa, which i leave attached all the time, whether i'm using the hank-on jib or the Genoa. 'Guess I could use both at the same time, but it would be a pain to have to furl the Genoa all the way back each time I tacked or jibed, and the idle windward sheets would have to run forward all the way around the jib wire.
The jib i have is a hank-on Doyle 110%, like new, real heavy or at least cripsy, and stiff. 'Would rather have a regular 100% jib, as a lighter easier to deploy alternative to the Genoa. Anyone with advice or potential idea of trading up ? ....welcome to call me or email direct.....Might be an advantage for someone with only the hank-on jib, for extra power and balance up front on their X.
What % Jib?
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If you intend to use the boat singlehanded, I recommend the furler, even for racing. With the furler and all running rigging led aft to the cockpit, sailing is a lot more fun, with or without crew aboard.
If the average wind speed for the area and season you intend to sail in is 10 mph or less get the 150% genoa. If the average wind speed is above 10 get the 100% jib. I have both of them set up for the furler so I can move about the country and have the most convenient and efficient sail for the prevailing conditions.
If the average wind speed for the area and season you intend to sail in is 10 mph or less get the 150% genoa. If the average wind speed is above 10 get the 100% jib. I have both of them set up for the furler so I can move about the country and have the most convenient and efficient sail for the prevailing conditions.
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'guess it wasn't clear.... I do have a roller furler with Genoa on the boat now... it stays on.... the hank-on jib wire behind it is a removable, auxiliary modification. That is what i put the hank-on jib on, for higher pointing to windward. The roller furler and furled Genoa stays in place all the time, and the added jib-wire stay is hoisted with a halyard and then the jib is hanked on the wire and hoisted with another halyard for the jib sail itself... It's a mod. ( Includes some extra blocks, halyards, and hounds at the jib-head. )
Actually there are three sets of hounds up there now, and five blocks total. A lower set of hounds for the jib wire block, and the jib halyard block, the center hounds for the original, but raised furler foil, next to the block for the mast raising line, and an upper set of hounds carrying two blocks, one for the Genoa sock halyard, and another for a wrap line to spiral around the sock to keep it from whipping the sail. The separation helps prevent halyard wraps and furler fouling.
I once removed the Genoa and raised the jib on the foil, a real PITA when done on the water, mast up. Faster to hoist the wire, and the hank-on jib behind the furler, than to remove the furler Genoa and put a furler jib on.... can be done almost as fast as you put your regular hank-on jib up if you don't even have a furler. The mod includes moving the Genoa furler forward and up, so it clears the deck and can be seen under, and leaves room behind it for the jib wire to be added as an alternative, attached to the same chainplate.
The Genoa is not able to point as high because it has to clear the spreaders, and is sheeted outside all the stays, aft on the cockpit coaming, whereas the jib can be sheeted to the cabin top between the upper and lower stays. The narrower sheeting angle gives better windward performance, something the Genoa is not so good for.
What i'm trying to do now is trade my 110 for a 100.
Actually there are three sets of hounds up there now, and five blocks total. A lower set of hounds for the jib wire block, and the jib halyard block, the center hounds for the original, but raised furler foil, next to the block for the mast raising line, and an upper set of hounds carrying two blocks, one for the Genoa sock halyard, and another for a wrap line to spiral around the sock to keep it from whipping the sail. The separation helps prevent halyard wraps and furler fouling.
I once removed the Genoa and raised the jib on the foil, a real PITA when done on the water, mast up. Faster to hoist the wire, and the hank-on jib behind the furler, than to remove the furler Genoa and put a furler jib on.... can be done almost as fast as you put your regular hank-on jib up if you don't even have a furler. The mod includes moving the Genoa furler forward and up, so it clears the deck and can be seen under, and leaves room behind it for the jib wire to be added as an alternative, attached to the same chainplate.
The Genoa is not able to point as high because it has to clear the spreaders, and is sheeted outside all the stays, aft on the cockpit coaming, whereas the jib can be sheeted to the cabin top between the upper and lower stays. The narrower sheeting angle gives better windward performance, something the Genoa is not so good for.
What i'm trying to do now is trade my 110 for a 100.
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Perhaps it is my inexperience, or my ignorance, but in my opinion I would go with roller furling only. My reason is this, for the investment in money on the various other sails you could get one good 130% with the UV protection and a shape that could work well in any wind conditon. If winds are too high for 130%, just let out enough to get the job done.
In my experience the ease of having one sail on a roller is of a higher value than having many different ones. What experience I have is from teaching teenage boys, who have never set foot on a boat, how to sail. Having the roller furling and an all-purpose shape genoa just made my job easier in teaching.
However, depending on your own personal use of the boat there are advantages in having multiple jibs and genoas available. It all depends on what you are going to use the boat for. Racing, go with several different sail combinations. Cruising, I would opt for the roller furling and one sail.
Just my opinion
BroncoCop
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Perhaps it is my inexperience, or my ignorance, but in my opinion I would go with roller furling only. My reason is this, for the investment in money on the various other sails you could get one good 130% with the UV protection and a shape that could work well in any wind conditon. If winds are too high for 130%, just let out enough to get the job done.
In my experience the ease of having one sail on a roller is of a higher value than having many different ones. What experience I have is from teaching teenage boys, who have never set foot on a boat, how to sail. Having the roller furling and an all-purpose shape genoa just made my job easier in teaching.
However, depending on your own personal use of the boat there are advantages in having multiple jibs and genoas available. It all depends on what you are going to use the boat for. Racing, go with several different sail combinations. Cruising, I would opt for the roller furling and one sail.
Just my opinion
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I believe the 110% Working Jib is the best sail in medium air as it provides a better sheeting angle, which enhances your ability to point higher into the wind. The Roller reefing may seem more convenient, but there is a trade off in that the unavoidable forestay sag reduces your ability to sail closer into the wind, but when partially reefed the sail shape is compromised more as it is reefed. The Genoa would be better in light air, but with the chain plates located outboard and the long spreaders creating such a wide sheeting angle with the blocks on the standard genoa track, to prevent pointing or sailing close to the wind. Roller reefing again compromises the Sail shape of the genoa with poor shape and promotes forestay sag. The convenience of Roller Reefing with the CDI FF2 Unit provides marginal luff tension, as the headsail halyard is not used for tensioning the luff. The benefit of Roller Reefing are further compromised as reefing requires resetting or powering up or down (opening or closing) the leech of the headsail, which requires someone to go forward to adjust the block set unless your boat is equipped with adjustable blocks led aft to the cockpit.
Modern sloop rigged spars with swept back spreaders have chosen to remove the backstay, but the addition of running backs can maintain enough forestay combined with the halyard tension, and hanked on headsail, to help the sail shape and sheeting angle enhancing its ability to sail into the wind.
My choice might be dual parallel forestays with the jib and genoa hanked on. There would be a penalty in windage with a second forestay, but the convenience of having both sails available as the winds change, and the halyard to tension the luff of each would offset some loss incurred with extra weight aloft. The salty look of having the sails bagged and suspended just off the deck with sheets attached add to the boats appearance.
Roller Furling for cruising boats may appear convenient, but they do not provide the best setup for sailing to weather or performing at its best. Many long range Cruising sailboats do not have engines strong enough to motor to weather in a blow (the Mac excused) and require a good #3 or Blade (foresail smaller than 100%) for sailing close when the wind picks up.
Sailing BigUpgrading a 1996 MacGregor 26XFor More Enjoyment in Sailing Big for Four to Five Weeks Onboard by Fred Scott
My 1996 sailboat has the same standard sails that came with it a 100% jib and main and that's all I need. I have a furling system but never installed it, I like it that way it keep it "Simple" and that's what I want. I keep my jib in a blue headsail bag attached to the forestay. West Marine Model, medium-114159. It looked big when I got it but works well and I use it all the time and keeps the sail off the deck, expensive but handy.
"LADY Vi"
Fred Scott
Sherwood Park, Alberta
Year 2000
Double bagging - make changing headsails a breeze Posted By: Gary "Doc" Hansen
Jib downhaul. The more you singlehand, the more you'll want to make things easy for yourself. A jib downhaul is a less-costly alternative to roller-furling. Once installed, it allows you to douse the headsail without going to the foredeck.
A jib downhaul makes it easy to drop the headsail without going on the foredeck.
Attach a small snatch block in the vicinity of the tack plate. Then tie a 3/16-inch line through the eye of the headsail-halyard shackle and thread it down the luff of the sail through the hanks and snatch block and lead it aft to a cleat near the jib-halyard cleateither at the mast or near the cockpit. (You may need to install some fairleads if you are leading it to the cockpit.) To douse the sail, just free the halyard and pull the downhaul.
A jib downhaul allows you to douse the headsail without going to the foredeck
If you decide to use this device, stow the headsail in a bag off the deck, so that you don't have to thread the downhaul every time you go sailing. Detach the sheets (or stow them in the bag), and keep all else fast. It's quick work to remove the sailbag and lead the sheets before leaving, then raise the sail when you are under way.
Sail your boat alone and love it, If you decide to use this device, stow the headsail in a bag off the deck, ...
Modern sloop rigged spars with swept back spreaders have chosen to remove the backstay, but the addition of running backs can maintain enough forestay combined with the halyard tension, and hanked on headsail, to help the sail shape and sheeting angle enhancing its ability to sail into the wind.
My choice might be dual parallel forestays with the jib and genoa hanked on. There would be a penalty in windage with a second forestay, but the convenience of having both sails available as the winds change, and the halyard to tension the luff of each would offset some loss incurred with extra weight aloft. The salty look of having the sails bagged and suspended just off the deck with sheets attached add to the boats appearance.
Roller Furling for cruising boats may appear convenient, but they do not provide the best setup for sailing to weather or performing at its best. Many long range Cruising sailboats do not have engines strong enough to motor to weather in a blow (the Mac excused) and require a good #3 or Blade (foresail smaller than 100%) for sailing close when the wind picks up.
Sailing BigUpgrading a 1996 MacGregor 26XFor More Enjoyment in Sailing Big for Four to Five Weeks Onboard by Fred Scott
My 1996 sailboat has the same standard sails that came with it a 100% jib and main and that's all I need. I have a furling system but never installed it, I like it that way it keep it "Simple" and that's what I want. I keep my jib in a blue headsail bag attached to the forestay. West Marine Model, medium-114159. It looked big when I got it but works well and I use it all the time and keeps the sail off the deck, expensive but handy.
"LADY Vi"
Fred Scott
Sherwood Park, Alberta
Year 2000
Double bagging - make changing headsails a breeze Posted By: Gary "Doc" Hansen
Jib downhaul. The more you singlehand, the more you'll want to make things easy for yourself. A jib downhaul is a less-costly alternative to roller-furling. Once installed, it allows you to douse the headsail without going to the foredeck.
A jib downhaul makes it easy to drop the headsail without going on the foredeck.
Attach a small snatch block in the vicinity of the tack plate. Then tie a 3/16-inch line through the eye of the headsail-halyard shackle and thread it down the luff of the sail through the hanks and snatch block and lead it aft to a cleat near the jib-halyard cleateither at the mast or near the cockpit. (You may need to install some fairleads if you are leading it to the cockpit.) To douse the sail, just free the halyard and pull the downhaul.
A jib downhaul allows you to douse the headsail without going to the foredeck
If you decide to use this device, stow the headsail in a bag off the deck, so that you don't have to thread the downhaul every time you go sailing. Detach the sheets (or stow them in the bag), and keep all else fast. It's quick work to remove the sailbag and lead the sheets before leaving, then raise the sail when you are under way.
Sail your boat alone and love it, If you decide to use this device, stow the headsail in a bag off the deck, ...
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BroncoCop, et al, .....no further expense involved in sail purchases... my boat came to me with a furler Genoa and a furler jib.... i traded the furler jib for this hank-on 110% jib, and now have both sails able to use.... without taking down the Genoa off the furler. I just attach a wire behind the furler, raise it with its own halyard, and hank on the jib, and raise the foresail with another halyard. It's a win-win situation: ...pull out the furler Genoa with its sheets, or wind it up and use the hank-on jib instead. No longer need to make a long-term choice, or fight the furler to change from Genoa to jib.
I really like "keep it simple" too, and the ultimate in simple is just to use the Genoa only. No mainsail at all on some days, single-handing, or night sailing, or when you have land-lubber guests or lazy hazy friends whom you want to entertain without making them crew the boat, or complicate the cockpit with the mainsheet, its blocks, the mainsail, or the boom hanging down and swinging across into standing headroom. You can just hoist the boom overhead with the topping lift, or clip it to the backstay, and not have it in the way at all.
But its nice to have the performance option of two sails, main and a windward pointing jib, when sailing with an experienced friend or friends as crew.
I really like "keep it simple" too, and the ultimate in simple is just to use the Genoa only. No mainsail at all on some days, single-handing, or night sailing, or when you have land-lubber guests or lazy hazy friends whom you want to entertain without making them crew the boat, or complicate the cockpit with the mainsheet, its blocks, the mainsail, or the boom hanging down and swinging across into standing headroom. You can just hoist the boom overhead with the topping lift, or clip it to the backstay, and not have it in the way at all.
But its nice to have the performance option of two sails, main and a windward pointing jib, when sailing with an experienced friend or friends as crew.