Blue Water Sailing??

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jeffh1971 wrote:Some great responses! Thanks guys. You all have answered a lot of my questions. I am not an experienced sailor but have a strong desire to become one. After doing a ton of research, for me, the MAC makes a lot of sense.
Huzzah, Huzzah. We took our Mac26x around Cape Scott, Vancouver Island and were delayed 3 days by gales. Thing is the larger sail boats were also delayed. It was interesting to see the experienced ocean crews head out and return. When it is snotty for a Mac26x it is snotty for all.

The neat thing about these Macgregor boats is that they are Costa Mesa builds. Do your research and you will find that Costa Mesa California has turned out more that a few small sailboats that have circumnavigated. I think you miss the point of cruising in the modern age if you do so however. Today you transport your vessels across oceans.

There is a neat article in 38 North this month about a 40 year old and his family who cruised the coast of California in a 30 footer. Suffice to say that Roger could not have designed a boat that was not sutable for these waters. What makes them more sutiable than traditional "blue water" sailboats is that the foils can be retracted and you can surf into safe harbor like a boston whaler or grady white. This means your ocean crusing can be coastal where traditional blue water boats must sail far from the coast because when the conditions go snotty you can not get into harbor and you are more likely to hit rocks.

Read the article. See how GPS, satelite phone and modern weather and other reporting have changed boat design. Boats that don't sink make a lot more sence than traditional sailboats owing to these modern inventions. Then learn from the Volvo70s. There is no going back.
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The shallow draft does make it great for coastal cruising

I pulled into a fairly full Barnstable Harbor on Cape Cod last summer, all the moorings were full, and told the Admiral, we can get a slip ($$) or stay on the hook.

We got out the chart, and found a nice spot in 3 feet of water at MLLW which was a 1/4 mile from the mooring field (and closer to the town dock!)

Once she saw me dig in the Bull and set the GPS alarm for the night, we were good.

Tides in the area range about 10 feet so there is always tidal current present.
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I think it is a very valid point that the positive flotation on the Mac is not something you see on any bluewater boats (at least I have never heard of such a thing). However, I would still rather do bluewater passages on a 40-50 foot keelboat myself. Just the mere comfort factor alone really...and of course, the tremendous extra mass of a big keelboat would make a huge difference. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mac for coastal cruising and traded in a heavier keelboat which was inferior for the type of boating I do around shallow coastal Florida.

I guess the unsinkable analogy in my mind is kind of like making a choice between a 5000 mile flight at 8000 feet in a single engine cessna which has a parachute deployment system...getting bumped around in all the low altitude weater....versus...making it in a 747 at 40,000 feet where if it goes down, you are in big trouble....but 99.9 % of the rest of the time, it is a heck of a lot more comfortable....and a lot faster.
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I like the motion of your 40/50-foot keelboat under sail, and they have big boat room inside and out, but when the lack of wind brings on the iron jenny I dislike the stink and noise of a diesel auxiliary rumbling and vibrating. Maybe I have been around engines too long, but the stink of those diesel fumes make me love sailing even more.
This 35compromise Shoal Sailor Blue water boat certainly has the look and apparently sails like a full keel boat, but the price Pheew!!! $250,000+ without being fully equipped. It may not be positive flotation, but it certainly looks nice.
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Blue Water....

Well here is my plan:

Take two (or so) years off work, home school the kids and go sailing. Down the Ca, Mx coasts, through the Canal, on to the Carib, and well...who knows...

So what did I do?

I sold my much loved Mac and bought a Pearson 365 Ketch...


The Mac Was GREAT for what I furst used it for...but as Clint Eastwood once said.."a mans got to know his limitations" and that can be applied to the Mac as well.
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As the day of departure approaches, sorting out what's essential and what's not for your cruise becomes an unavoidable and important task.

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I enjoy the peace and quiet of being at anchor, and to disturb this tranquility with the sound of an engine is almost a sacrilege
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Dimitri-2000X-Tampa wrote:I think it is a very valid point that the positive flotation on the Mac is not something you see on any bluewater boats (at least I have never heard of such a thing).
The Etap has positive flotation.

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Dang TT, I didn't realize you had done a review on the 24i, nice writeup.
I have the perfect boat for me in the 26 ft range, but if and when I move up, the 24i's bigger sisters look pretty good! 32s 37s
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The Etap looks great. How much?
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For a 37s it is only $214,315 but that does include taxes. What a deal!

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1444634/0
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36' Etap 37 S Used?Year: 2005
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Current Price: EUR 176,000 Tax Paid
(US$ 214,315)
Located In St Cyprien, France
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
YW# 74549-1444634





Etap 24i
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Price $59,900 (includes sails and delivery anywhere in the U.S.)

I would assume this price is without the trailer and just might be too old for a deal?
Could be thousands more? No Power sailor for sure!
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5'3" headroom? Definetly not a boat for us old and creaky sailors over six feet. Of course, it would provide a good reason to explain hair loss in later years.... :-)
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