Speak Fluent NMEA 2000??? (I don’t :-/)

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Speak Fluent NMEA 2000??? (I don’t :-/)

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Hi All!

Anyone out there Speak Fluent NMEA 2000?
I don’t :| :? :o but it seems my two chart-plotters and sonar do and I’ve had no idea of how to even begin to understand it all and how to get them talking to each other. I’ve toyed with having multiple sonar transducers (like someday mounting one in the bow angled forward to let me see if I’m approaching a problem…rather than letting me know after the fact like my current stern mounted unit :o :? :P :wink: ).

The following article has been a good start in helping me get over my inertia and possibly getting better use out of our equipment aboard Over Easy.

https://soundingsonline.com/soundings/nmea-2000-primer/

Worth a read…

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)
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Very interesting and valuable info. Thanks for posting.
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I have fairly extensive (for a Mac) NMEA2000, NMEA0183, and SeatalkNg networks on my boat.

What are you trying to connect? Do you have any existing networks?
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Hi Be Free!

We’re just starting the process and trying to mentally get an idea of how it might work…
We have two Garmin chart plotters with their own transducers.
A ~9” and a ~4” display unit.

Background:
> The 9” display Chartplotter transducer has gone off-line due to what I think is a bum multi pin connector that developed some corrosion.
On my “To-Do-List” is to splice in a new connector from a Y-connector (Garmin doesn’t sell replacement connectors- you have to make your own -\_ :| _/-). Hopefully this brings that transducer back on-line. If not then I’ll just have to cough up the bucks for a new transducer ($$$ :cry: ). This Chartplotter has more features and is easier to read in bright sunlight than the smaller unit.

> The 4” display Chartplotter works nicely as does its 4 pin transducer so we’ve been using it as our current primary (fallback) for Nav and depth. This was originally for our little runabout ‘Scrambled’ which we decided not to utilize this year (I simplified my “To-Do-List”). This has been working albeit the screen is harder to read and it doesn’t have a route planning capability.

> Before we decided not to take an extended cruise this year due to a variety of reasons we had planned on using both units in a combined hybrid manner. The larger unit only for navigation and route planning while relegating the smaller to depth and bottom terrain monitoring. Workable but kind of awkward taking up our limited pedestal space.

> When both units had working transponders I had been contemplating making a deployable (slide track) bow mount for the smaller unit’s transponder to allow us to “see-ahead” to potentially allow us to better navigate the extensive shallows of our local estuaries without bumping into something or running aground.

Now all that background is out of the way……
This brings me to the NEMA 2000 aspect I found out about in the process of looking into a replacement transducer for the larger unit.
(It would have helped if I’d actually read through the paperwork that came with the larger unit earlier on :wink: ).
It appears that the larger unit has the capability of accessing multiple transducers!
That would allow us to have a ‘built-in’ bow transducer angled forward as an ‘early warning’ function as well as a down pointing stern transducer for standard depth reporting. It would allow us to get back to one bigger/brighter/easier-to-read display.
This connectivity could also extend to connecting up to our new(ish) Suzuki DF60AV engine as well.
There are other do-dads apparently that could also be connected such as a wind speed and direction sensor.
On a similar vein there also appears to be a capability to somehow connect up to a laptop to do real-time depth/terrain data logging and concurrent GPS positional location. This would allow use to develop our own detailed bottom charts of our explorations for future use.

This all opens up a whole new horizon (and rabbit holes :D ) of opportunity (and time consumption :D )!
But this would require me to actually put back on my thinking cap and learn new stuff (which wouldn’t be a bad idea come to think of it :D ).

So there you are….

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)

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I have this vague recollection that most engine manufacturers added NMEA2000 features around 2008 so a new(ish) DF60 should speak NMEA2000. I'm also pretty sure that Suzuki uses a proprietary connector on the engine so you will need something that will get you connected to the standard NMEA network. Do you have the Suzuki multi-function gauge attached to the engine? If so, I think it has native NMEA connectivity and would be one way of connecting your engine to your MFD. If your new(ish) engine is newer than I've seen then you might get lucky and have an actual NMEA connector on your engine (but don't count on it). Marine manufacturers love proprietary cables.

Generically, you need a backbone cable, t-connectors, branch cables, a single power insertion point, and two terminating resistors. The branch cables are connected to t-connectors in the backbone. You don't branch off of branches. All branches come back to the backbone.

Plan to run your backbone from one end of the boat to the other. I started at the engine and worked my way forward but you can do it either way. Anywhere along the backbone you can add one or more t-connectors to branch out to devices you want to connect to the network. There will be a terminating resistor at each end of the network. It will not work without the resistors. It will not work with multiple power insertion points.

Every device on the network has a Load Equivalence Number (LEN). The manufacturer should tell you what the value is but you can calculate it if you know how many mA the device draws from the network. Some devices draw all of their power from the network; all draw some just communicating. A LEN is 50mA so if the device draws 101mA it would have a LEN of 3 (you always round up).

The network needs power to run. It gets the power from the power insertion point which is a cable with two (or three) electrical wires on one end, an inline fuse, and a NMEA connector on the other. The insertion point should be as close as possible to the electrical center of the network. The electrical center is where there are the same number of LENs on either side of the insertion point. It is not absolutely critical that it be the exact center but try to get it close. Technically, on a boat as small as ours it's not critical at all, but it does not hurt to do things right. For instance, if you ran your backbone up one side of the boat and then later needed to extend it to run back down the other side, it may make a difference to a device at the far end if your insertion point was at the beginning.

If your transducers are native NMEA devices then hooking them up would be as simple as connecting them to a T. Wind speed and direction instruments often speak NMEA natively and may get their power from the network. Check the specifications though. Some still only speak NMEA0183. That is a whole different question and a whole different network. It's doable (I'm doing it right now) but it does complicate some things.

Your Garmin chartplotter may already be logging all of your depth and position data. Check out HomePort to be able to access it. I paid for it years ago but I think it's actually free now. It is a very useful tool.

I'm not aware of any native NMEA (any version) connections for a laptop. Electrically NMEA2000 is CAN bus (similar to the ODB2 port on your car) and NMEA0183 is RS422 (a close relative of the RS232 that you used to hook your modem to your PC back in the dark ages). No consumer-grade laptop every had connectors for these networks. There are hardware devices though that will allow you to connect through USB or Ethernet if you want to go down that particular rabbit hole. I've been down there many times and will be glad to give you a guided tour when you are ready.

If you have specific questions I can give you much more specific answers.

Good networking!

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Re: Speak Fluent NMEA 2000??? (I don’t :-/)

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Hi Be Free!

THANK YOU!
THANK YOU !!
THANK YOU !!!

Great information!
Yes, I would like to take you up on your help and advice as we get closer and further along on this project!
I appreciate your experience and expertise on this!

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)
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