Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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While I’m repairing my deck I figured it’s a great time to start figuring out a deck layout for running everything aft. So show me your deck layouts! What works for you? What equipment do you like? And what should I stay away from?
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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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I'll get back to you with pics, but I will start off with expressing my love for the Lewmar DC1 rope clutches. Pricier than your standard clutches (about $175 for a double), but they are worlds better than the older models due to their "domino" design. Read more here - https://www.lewmar.com/content/dc1-rope-clutches. Because of this design, they can function as a one-way passage for your lines. Even when locked down, you can pull the rope through with little resistance, but the rope will lock firmly and not slip back in the opposite direction. This way you can flip the lever up when, for instance, raising your mainsail and flip it down to lock the rope when you have the sail mostly up. Then just put a few wraps on the winch and finish tensioning the halyard. No need to hold tension at the winch while forcing the locking lever down.

I have two on either side of the pop-top, set such that I can use the jib sheet winches to tension them.

I use these Viadana deck organizers - https://www.viadanausa.com/store/produc ... nizer-38mm. Nice and trim, and work well.

I just drilled holes in my mast step for the blocks.

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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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Since I am rebuilding before I start sailing I have no idea how many lines I actually need or want. I know I'll need line for the main halyard, jib halyard and daggerboard control line. Not sure what else I need or should install? Reefing line, down haul, out haul, vang? My biggest problem is not knowing at the moment. I don't want to have to do more "body work" or fiberglassing/painting when I install the hardware I need after finish my refit.
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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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Stickinthemud57 wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:33 am I'll get back to you with pics, but I will start off with expressing my love for the Lewmar DC1 rope clutches. Pricier than your standard clutches (about $175 for a double), but they are worlds better than the older models due to their "domino" design. Read more here - https://www.lewmar.com/content/dc1-rope-clutches. Because of this design, they can function as a one-way passage for your lines. Even when locked down, you can pull the rope through with little resistance, but the rope will lock firmly and not slip back in the opposite direction. This way you can flip the lever up when, for instance, raising your mainsail and flip it down to lock the rope when you have the sail mostly up. Then just put a few wraps on the winch and finish tensioning the halyard. No need to hold tension at the winch while forcing the locking lever down.

I have two on either side of the pop-top, set such that I can use the jib sheet winches to tension them.

I use these Viadana deck organizers - https://www.viadanausa.com/store/produc ... nizer-38mm. Nice and trim, and work well.

I just drilled holes in my mast step for the blocks.

Pics to come.
+1 for the clutches. I have a double on each side of the cabin top. Jib halyard goes through the port side and main halyard through the starboard side. That leaves one open on each side for the whisker pole and the topping lift when I'm using one or both. I also route the tail of the mast raising line through the port clutch. That way I can stop at any point and reposition stays and such when I'm raising the mast single-handed.
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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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I bought my boat from Blue Water Yachts and as part of their "lines led aft" package they used these spin lock cam cleats.

I LOVE them. Mostly because I can operate them from behind the wheel by simply yanking them up to release. I don't have to move to the cam cleat and move a lever.

Their site seems to be down at the moment, but I would buy them from BWY to support a Mac dealer.
https://www.bwyachts.com/

https://www.westmarine.com/spinlock-sin ... 55921.html

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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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Another +1 but I use these on my jib sheets. Just flip up to release and flip down to lock once the jib is in the right spot.
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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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I saw those. I like the idea of easy release. But are they strong enough for all uses? Like for the halyards?
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kenfyoozed wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:23 pm I saw those. I like the idea of easy release. But are they strong enough for all uses? Like for the halyards?
YES!

I have them on my main halyard and daggerboard line. Very strong and easy to use. Pull straight out and they are automatically in lock position. This allows me to use my winch to pull the halyard tight and the clutch is already in the locked position. Unwind the winch and they are tightly locked.

To release, simply yank the line up and the clutch releases the line.

See winch is behind the spinlocks. BWY did a great job rigging my boat.
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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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If Russ says he’s happy, that’s good enough for me.

I went a different route for running all lines aft. Halyard for the main sail; line to raise the daggerboard; topping lift; halyard in front of M’s mast.
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Actually the clutch I have is a different manufacturer. Each clutch is a different color, so I can use different colored lines and know quickly by color what goes to what.

The Genoa sheets go to Bill’s Jam cleats, and the roller furler line just go to a standard cleat.

P.S. For what it’s worth, here is what I have.
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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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NiceAft wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:01 pm
The Genoa sheets go to Bill’s Jam cleats, and the roller furler line just go to a standard cleat.
Same here. Bill's Jam cleats on the Genny tracks work great and again can be operated from the helm.
The furler line is a one-and-done, so it doesn't need adjusting once furled.
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kenfyoozed wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:23 pm I saw those. I like the idea of easy release. But are they strong enough for all uses? Like for the halyards?
Never tried it on a halyard but I have to assume that the tension on the jib sheets in a good blow have to be greater than the tension needed to keep the main or jib raised. They have held my jib sheets through winds that ripped the clew out of the jib and another that put the boat on its side and spun it. I think they will keep your halyards where you put them.
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Re: Deck layout to run lines aft 26D

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Photos as promised. Please excuse the clutter. I am getting ready to trailer the boat up to Lake Texoma.

Looking aft - main and jib halyard led to clutches.
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Oblique view of clutches and winch. I have the winches canted back to avoid fouling. Works great!
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Overhead view of clutches and winch. You will note that the labels are worn off. This is because the jib sheet rubs against them. If I were to do it over again I would try to move them a little more inboard. This is not a problem on the starboard side because the jib sheet feeds to the outside of the winch there rather than the inside as on the port side. If you are only planning on running two halyards run them on the starboard side.
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Block attachments at mast step. Look closely and you will see that I cut a little keyhole slot in the forward hole so it can slide out of the way of the pin that holds the gin pole in place when raising or lowering the mast. Another option is to remove the forward block during that process.
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Using the jib sheet winches to tension the halyards works great, but takes a little strategic planning so that the winch you need is not loaded.
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