Black is Fastest!

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Tom Spohn
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Post by Tom Spohn »

I forgot to mention another of Todd's inventions on the "Pearl". He has taken the stock vang and cut off the cam cleat from the block that had the cleat. The line now runs around the blocks and exits the block closest to the mast base and thence to a block directly aft of the vang's boom connection allowing the line to pass aft inside the boom and exit at the aft end of the boom where a block and clam cleat allow easy adjustment of the vang. This allows vang adjustment without pulling the rotating mast to one side.

The boom also has another line running inside and fore to aft which is connected to a cunningham hook on the sail. A simple motion at the end of the boom to pull the line and cleat it now tightens the cunningham.
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Post by Scott »

Black is fastest schmastest.

My boat is white and im proud of it. Last weekend when the wind died, there was red, white, blue, and yellow sailboats on the lake. I dropped the iron genny and towed a broke down motorboat back to the launch.

Even while towing an 18' motorboat I was still the fastest sailboat on the lake.

Definitive scientific proof that White Sailboats Rock!!!

On edit, The guy even tried to pay me. Didnt reaize that I was a snobby eliteist sailor and wouldnt stoop to spend his money. (it was green) (not enough 0's for the yacht club)
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Post by Tom Spohn »

MeMine,
Todd chose the Tohatsu 70 because it is lighter than the Suzuki 70. (He said about 45 lbs.) He is a dealer for both engines. Said the Tohatsu was slightly noiser than the Suzi, but was a fine engine. I asked him why he didn't go for the 90 at the same weight and he replied that the boat should not have more than 70 hp on it.

Regarding performance of the bulb keel, Todd said only that he would lose some top speed while motoring. I think he will need some more time to sort out all the pluses and minuses of his creation. I watched him under sail for awhile and it sure seems to work when sailing, but I have no numbers--just my observations.

I didn't notice the winches when I was snapping pictures. I was too busy drooling on the sails!
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Post by TampaMac »

Cool boat. Too bad its an M - LOL.

Methinks I want those sails.

Of course I'm too lazy to take proper care of them and they'd probably last about 6 months.
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Richard O'Brien
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lead weight?

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How much does lead weigh per cubic ft.? I was looking at the trailer, and there is just no way to cut a channel all the way through the center to accommodate that bulb....easily! There is however, about 2-1/2" of space at the bottom of the daggerboard well when the board is full up. So, if the space is roughly 2-1/2" x 15-1/2" x 1-1/2" (avg.), how much does it weigh? any body know? How about in iron? I'll bet it could be cast and screwed on to the existing daggerboard bottom. I have friends with art foundries, so the mold is no problem just adequate weight.
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Post by Catigale »

Density of lead is 11.35g per cm^3, which translates to about 1000 pounds (my SWAG) for your cubic foot of plumbum
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Post by Moe »

It should weigh about 24 lbs (at 709.6 lbs/cu ft).

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Moe wrote:It should weigh about 24 lbs (at 709.6 lbs/cu ft).

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Post by ESPERANZA »

Hey, remember Eric Hartle filled the swing board on his X with lead. Has anyone heard how it performs. I think he said it weighed in at 135 lbs...
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Post by awolfe »

<<For you guys that like to discuss X vs M sailing speed, the results in the "Not Quite a Race" were First: X, Second: M, Third: X. Incidentally the first place X was piloted by Frank Mighetto or maybe it was wife, Lisa while Frank took a nap.>>


CONGRATS to Frank M. (or Lisa)

Hey Frank M. Are you even allowed to post to this site?

I'd like to know your secret(s) for making your X so fast...

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Post by Frank C »

This observation might be too "circumstantial" for a final judgement, but remember that one always retrieves a "horizontal" boat floating over an "inclined" trailer. Therefore a bulb under the hull would not need a trailer-long channel. You simply need an average ramp angle for the bulb to float over the trailer & drop in front of the middle bunk. At most, you would simply need to split the middle bunk to nestle or clear a modestly sized bulb.

Regarding a helfy bulb hanging from a fiberglass board, just remember that the board must be strong enough to extend that weight ~ 5 feet from the hull, and still accept the flexing stresses as the hull is pushed laterally by swell and waves - most importantly, as the hull is heeled by variable wind forces.

In brisk conditions that pendulum, depending on its final weight, can apply some significant moments, eh? Who's gonna bracket the conditions, and then SWAG the failure-point of an M-daggerboard ... 100 pounds of ballast in stresses commonly induced at 35 knots of wind?? :|
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Post by moonie »

As good as the black Mac looks,I would'nt want one on the Med. We will come out well cooked. :P 8)
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Post by baldbaby2000 »

Does anyone know where I can see photos of the running backstays on the BWY Perla Noir? Tom Spohn's link doesn't work for me.

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