Outboard engine fuel best practices

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Outboard engine fuel best practices

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Outboard engine fuel best practices - from Practical Sailor Waypoints. 8)

Additives can't solve real gasoline quality problems. At best, consider additives to be only a final tweaking opportunity, something to supplement the following fuel management practices.

• Fresh fuel: Buy from the busiest fuel dock, preferably one that serves commercial users. A busy service station is good, too.

• Eliminate outside water: Inspect your deck fill annually and replace the O-ring as needed. An O-ring sealant can help with sealing and prevent seizing. Make sure the vent won't admit water at any angle of heel.

• Keep a full tank: This is absolutely vital with E-10, because of its potential to absorb water and its increased volatility, compared to conventional gasoline. Half-full tanks will "breathe," allowing moisture into the tank. Some like to keep only the minimum amount of fuel on hand, in the false belief that they can keep the fuel fresh in this way, but this practice dramatically increases both humidity and oxygen exposure.

• Use your engine: Many sailors pride themselves on running an engine for only a few minutes, just enough to clear the marina. The problem is, the engine never really warms up; it burns only a fraction of a gallon each trip, and the fuel stays in the tanks for a year or more. Ethanol gasoline simply isn't formulated for that sort of storage life. While additives and a tight tank help, the chemicals themselves are not completely stable, and small tanks (all marine tanks are small from a refiner's point of view) have a high ratio of fuel to oxygen exposure. You change your oil every year; why not burn some fuel and keep it fresh?

• Fuel/water separators and oversize filters: These deliver valuable protection should you get a bad batch of gas, some water sneaks into your tank, or a sudden drop in temperature induces separation. They give you a means to drain the water while out on the water and get back home.

• Beware of bad alloys: Avoid zinc or Zamak (a common zinc/aluminum/magnesium/copper die casting alloy). These corrode rapidly in the presence of ethanol.

• Use only ethanol rated hose: Cheap fuel hoses may contain polymers that dissolve and deteriorate prematurely.
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I use Stabil, I swear by the stuff, I used to throw away (which isn't easy) so much fuel because it went off after a couple of months, now I just make sure I give it a good dose of Stabil and it last 12 months. It is expensive but the savings in not having to buy fresh fuel all the time have been huge
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sailboatmike wrote: I used to throw away (which isn't easy)
Well first I never had problems with fuel that didnt work anymore. And second: Instead of throwing away, why not mixing to better one when you use a lot... Should work I think!
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kurz wrote:
sailboatmike wrote: I used to throw away (which isn't easy)
Well first I never had problems with fuel that didnt work anymore. And second: Instead of throwing away, why not mixing to better one when you use a lot... Should work I think!
It doesn't work the motor stalls and splutters, we almost got smashed into the dock when the motor died from bad fuel, Believe me after it happens once you never want it to happen again. I tried mixing it with fuel in the cars fuel tank and that was a real disaster as well, took me about 3 refills to clean the system out and get the car running properly again.

I have tried using old oxidised fuel as weed killer and its so rubbish it wont even kill weeds, it doesn't even smell like petrol anymore
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ok. Well I believe you. So I just was happy enough to not had ever a problem like this.
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I'm a big beleiver in "Sea Foam" - but I try to "use up" all my old fuel by June each year - kids like toodling along, using the fish finder, etc. 8)
kurz wrote:
sailboatmike wrote: I used to throw away (which isn't easy)
Well first I never had problems with fuel that didnt work anymore. And second: Instead of throwing away, why not mixing to better one when you use a lot... Should work I think!
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Unfortunately making a tank locked/tamper resistant may not be a bad idea either.

I stayed short term at a marina and got water in my gas while docked. Nice marina, water hoses at every pedestal. I was able to diagnose it and use a portable tank until I could properly fix it. Drained over 3 gallons of separated water from my inboard tank. The boat across from me who also had deck fill at the stern next could not get his boat to start the same day. I had to leave so did not see any other boats try to start while there, but it looked to me like someone got into some mischief.
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I can't comment on the mischief at a marina - I do not leave 'boat' in a slip. When we are at a marina in a slip we are with 'boat', but I guess someone could try to mess with the gas while we are in the showers or out for dinner - you want me to get locks?
Aside from marina hooligans - the issue I have with gas it that it gets too old - it leaves a gooey mess in the exhaust so for me I just don't burn old gas anymore - ever.

Here is what I do:

March, April, and May the boat is parked in the driveway (usually getting mods) and the tanks are EMPTY.

June - season starts - I drive to station in car and fill one 6 gallon Jerry can and bring it home.
The day before we go out on the boat I tip the tanks in the boat to make sure everything is clean, dry, and EMPTY. I put 5 gallons on ONE TANK in the boat. Off we go - that 5 gallons will last me for all of June because June is mostly day sailing and tune up sailing.

July - I drive to the gas station in the car and fill TWO 6 gallon Jerry cans and bring it home. I put six gallons in one side of the boat and six gallons in the other side. That is usually enough gas to last us for all of July for trips to Catalina, Dana Point, and whatever multi day trips we do in July - July is a great sailing month in California. I TRY :( to BURN all the gas in the July tanks by doing long WOT runs but sometimes I just don't use the motor enough to burn all my 12 gallons! Sometimes I DO use more than my 12 gallons but even then I buy the gas at the gas station in my Jerry cans, and add it that way - NO fuel dock gas if I can avoid it.

In August I DRAIN THE TANKS on the boat! I pump all the gas still left in the boat into a Jerry can and put that gas into my kids car. I tip the tanks on the boat to make sure there is nothing in them. Then I go buy new gas at the gas station in my Jerry cans and bring it home to use for August. Rinse and repeat.

I repeat that monthly routine for the entire sailing season : drain the tanks after a month, put that old gas in the kids car, tip the tanks, and put fresh gas into the boat.

I do this for September and October and by November I am only putting ONE Jerry can in the boat each month because we sail less in November and December. We do not sail in January and usually go out only once or twice in February and at the end of February the tanks are emptied; of course, into the kids car!

Then the boat sits for another three months of March, April, and May Pacific storms and high swells and I stay dry and warm those months cruising around the Southwest in the van seeing desert places like where Sumner lives - the desert is really nice in those months. Been moving around New Mexico last month and getting ready to hit Mexican Hat and 4 corners next. Boat stays in driveway.
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I always use non ethanol fuel ..... if u don't have a place close to you like in my case where i live now .... I have to make my own non ethanol fuel.... it's actually super simple to do and requires very little expenses or time .... in essence you will have to order a clear plastic 5 gal jug with a screw on plastic cap from eBay....i believe I paid 15 bux for one..... You fill it with 93 octane pump gas then add a 2 liter of water that you added a few drops of black food coloring to it so it turns black and u dump that black colored water into the gas....mix it well and in the screw on cap u will poke a tiny tiny hole where a tooth pick can stop up the hole and mix the water and gas together then let it sit over night the black colored water will suck up the ethanol and you will see a black layer separated out and at the bottom.....pull the toothpick out and drain till all the black fluid is out .....
You will find u put 2 liters of fluid in approx 3 liters comes out....pure non ethanol fuel from pump gas
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The "protocol" I have fallen into that works very well for me with a 50 h.p. Yamaha on a 26X with two 8 gal. tanks. I only use Ethanol free gas. When I fill up, I add marine Sta-Bil along with the Yamaha fuel additive to keep injectors cleaner. I refill often and try not to let an empty, or near empty tank to sit for very long in that state. I keep the boat in a slip year round, so I go out a minimum of every three weeks and run the engine at WOT for at least 10-15 minutes (underway not in neutral). I do the 100 hour service on the engine by an Yamaha dealer on time. I had a fuel/water separator filter installed in the line between the tanks and the engine, and I check that regularly. I did buy all new lines and tanks when I bought my new engine 4 years ago. This system has worked very reliably for me the last four years. :)
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dlandersson wrote:I'm a big beleiver in "Sea Foam"
Same here. I believe the origin of Seafoam was for outboard motors.

I read someplace that you should never buy gas when the station is getting a delivery. The new gas being dumped into their tanks stirs up the water at the bottom. For a car, a bit of water isn't an issue. For a marine outboard, a bit of water can be a problem.

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RussMT wrote:
dlandersson wrote:I'm a big beleiver in "Sea Foam"
Same here. I believe the origin of Seafoam was for outboard motors.

I read someplace that you should never buy gas when the station is getting a delivery. The new gas being dumped into their tanks stirs up the water at the bottom. For a car, a bit of water isn't an issue. For a marine outboard, a bit of water can be a problem.

--Russ
Sounds logic... BUT: Does today not any gas station has (several) water-gas separators? Cannot immagine that this is not installed by law... hop so...
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The gas stations do not give you water anymore in 48 of the 50 states by law - the water is removed in three different places along the supply chain now so it's not a concern - even in the old days when that was not the case in almost all states it was easy to avoid: if the tanker was parked at the station don't buy gas there - that's old wisdom from the 70's. After a gas delivery the gas has settled within 30 minutes enough to avoid any water from the bottom of the tank,

There is ONE place where you CAN get water - THE FUEL DOCK! The laws that cover gas stations do not apply to Factory or Farm pumps - agriculture - some non-commercial diesel delivery installations and BOAT FUEL DOCKS!.

So if you want your water just keep buying your gas at the fuel dock.
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BOAT wrote:The gas stations do not give you water anymore in 48 of the 50 states by law - the water is removed in three different places along the supply chain now so it's not a concern - even in the old days when that was not the case in almost all states it was easy to avoid: if the tanker was parked at the station don't buy gas there - that's old wisdom from the 70's. After a gas delivery the gas has settled within 30 minutes enough to avoid any water from the bottom of the tank,

There is ONE place where you CAN get water - THE FUEL DOCK! The laws that cover gas stations do not apply to Factory or Farm pumps - agriculture - some non-commercial diesel delivery installations and BOAT FUEL DOCKS!.

So if you want your water just keep buying your gas at the fuel dock.
U need to quit peeing on deck & aim better , no problem for me as recycled Scotch burns anywhere ! :P

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Makes a point - alcohol absorbs water - I wonder if you could use scotch to get the water out of your tank!??
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