Full Enclosure Price?

[Chinook]

BWY dodger is designed with clearance for sailing. We have ours up all the time. When the full surround is up, it's not really practical to sail with the main, since the mainsheet must go up through the panel which connects the bimini to the dodger. You can sail on the main with the bimini and the dodger up, but no connector panel. Only problem is, with the bimini up, you can't easily see the windex at top of the mast, for info on wind angle.

[Tomfoolery]

BWY dodger is designed with clearance for sailing. We have ours up all the time. When the full surround is up, it's not really practical to sail with the main, since the mainsheet must go up through the panel which connects the bimini to the dodger. You can sail on the main with the bimini and the dodger up, but no connector panel. Only problem is, with the bimini up, you can't easily see the windex at top of the mast, for info on wind angle.

Same with the Dowsar setup. I never take the bimini down other than for transport and winter storage, and I split about half the time with the dodger on. I prefer no dodger, as it makes deck access much easier, but for overnighting, I like having the connector, and sometimes the full enclosure. The Dowsar dodger is wide. I believe the BWY dodger is narrow, making for better access along the side.

I added a 'window' to my bimini so I can see the Windex up there, but to be honest, a couple of needles or even ribbons on the shrouds would work about as well.

As to the BWY $9k price tag, that's a lot higher than what they have on their web site. I wonder what that includes. Installation maybe? Customization? Other options? It already comes with both screens and window panels on the two sides and the rear section, plus the stern filler (under the helm seat).

I'm not trying to promote Dowsar over BWY, especially since I've purchased so much from BWY and have been very happy with the parts and customer service. But I have the Dowsar enclosure, and it's very well thought out the constructed. And if it needs replacing, I'll probably just go to them for the canvas alone (the 1" SS hoops will last forever). And they're close enough that I could haul the boat there and leave it while they do the work.

Or I'll attempt to replace the worst pieces myself, since I'm now so expert at sewing replacement vinyl window panels.

[Highlander]

BWY full enclosure has or used to have a narrow & wide dodger,s for the X , the Dowsar Bimini on my M has about 6' 6" head room , how much head room doe,s the BWY Bimini have ?

J
PS no matter which full enclosure u get they r all a great addition to the Mac basically double ur living space

[Chinook]

BWY bimini doesn't have enough head room for me to stand up. I'm 5'10". I have to stoop a bit when standing.

[David Mellon]

Thanks everyone. I ordered a BWY Cadet Grey enclosure and will report back once I install it.

[Neo]

Did I read that right "$9K" ..... Nine Thousand bucks???

[David Mellon]

Well, turns out I had to cancel that order. They only have patterns for 26Ms with the rear seats installed. I have no children and would never fit in one of those seats so I don't want them. I have made some calls to local canvas shops. Besides, since I don't sail much anymore I want a lot of headroom, even to the point of using the stern arch for the rear of the enclosure.

[Neo]

Well, turns out I had to cancel that order. They only have patterns for 26Ms with the rear seats installed. I have no children and would never fit in one of those seats so I don't want them. I have made some calls to local canvas shops. Besides, since I don't sail much anymore I want a lot of headroom, even to the point of using the stern arch for the rear of the enclosure.

I'm assuming your'e talking about the stern rail seats?.... If so you don't know what you're missing ... They are great and many adults love sitting in them.

[schoon32]

Don't know about price but I just purchased a 96 X and it has some type of enclosure, 4 large panels with clear sections plus a bimini with zippers on all sides. The boat has snaps so you can see where it fits. I don't need it and am not going to try to put on the boat. The way it looks, it would be a 2 day job to get it on than I don't how you would get out. Have photos if anyone is interested. Don't need.
Appears it has only been used once.

[Tomfoolery]

Post some pics, just because it's interesting. Like playing Where's Waldo, we can attempt to identify the enclosure, assuming it's a standard item from BWY or Dowsar.

And welcome to the forum. Double pepperoni, please.

[bwygirl]

We are very excited to have just received the first batch of our custom fully anodized aluminum tubing for dodgers and biminis. This tubing is the same aircraft grade aluminum and corrosion resistant finish as the mast, boom, and spreaders. This tubing is stronger than the standard aluminum tubing but doesn't have the weight and awkwardness of stainless, it is still light in weight to make it easy to handle. The finish on this tubing is not glossy when new like typical dodger tubing but will stay nice looking for many years without discoloring and corroding. This will be put into production on our Dodgers and Bimini's soon. We will be offering this at no addition cost.

Our 26M pattern does incorporate the stern rail seats that we sell. Without the seats the back panels will be baggy.

Our full enclosure price is just under $3,000 (not $9,00,ouch!)

The height of our bimini is restricted by wanting the ability to sail with it up. It is higher at the steering wheel but angles down going forward of the wheel to be able to clear the bimini. It is very difficult to get one made to be standing height as you will give up the sailing. Dowsar does give standing height at the wheel, but it dramatically angles downward to fit under the boom. When standing at the wheel it seems to me you would be looking at a wall? Dowsar is nice, expensive, and heavy. For me, the heaviness would not be so good as i would not easily be able to take it on and off to trailer.

Cheryl

[Neo]

Our full enclosure price is just under $3,000 (not $9,000,ouch!)

Thanks for the update Cheryl ... I can sleep at night now

Sounds to me that you need to make some spreader tubes out of that Ali too

All the best.
Neo

[Highlander]

We are very excited to have just received the first batch of our custom fully anodized aluminum tubing for dodgers and biminis. This tubing is the same aircraft grade aluminum and corrosion resistant finish as the mast, boom, and spreaders. This tubing is stronger than the standard aluminum tubing but doesn't have the weight and awkwardness of stainless, it is still light in weight to make it easy to handle. The finish on this tubing is not glossy when new like typical dodger tubing but will stay nice looking for many years without discoloring and corroding. This will be put into production on our Dodgers and Bimini's soon. We will be offering this at no addition cost.

Our 26M pattern does incorporate the stern rail seats that we sell. Without the seats the back panels will be baggy.

Our full enclosure price is just under $3,000 (not $9,00,ouch!)

The height of our bimini is restricted by wanting the ability to sail with it up. It is higher at the steering wheel but angles down going forward of the wheel to be able to clear the bimini. It is very difficult to get one made to be standing height as you will give up the sailing. Dowsar does give standing height at the wheel, but it dramatically angles downward to fit under the boom. When standing at the wheel it seems to me you would be looking at a wall? Dowsar is nice, expensive, and heavy. For me, the heaviness would not be so good as i would not easily be able to take it on and off to trailer.

Cheryl

Sorry to inform U that u r wrong as I,m an owner of a Dowsar full enclosure, the Bimini only extends to the edge of the boom which is very much more than adequate for sailing and does not interfere with the boom in any position & allows a full approx 6' 6" headroom for the full Bimini length it is also approx 8" wider than ur bimini as the frame is on the outside of the coaming,s , I,ve had my full Dowsar enclosure on my boat since 2008 the frame folds down completely for traierling never had a need to remove it & don,t know why U would even suggest it ? has to for which ever reason ! . I,ve also sailed with half the mid section installed in inclement weather on a long port or S/B tack sailing

Anyways just don,t think u should b knocking a product u have never seen & by the way "Beene" on this site just bought one last yr & they have since even strengthened the SS Frame , so I will be making these great up-dates

As for your full enclosure product I,m glad too hear of ur new alum frame up-date , I also think u make an excellent product & u certainly can,t beat the price "bang for ur buck " but I was willing to pay the extra price for the bigger enclosure as at that time I was living on the boat 4 days a week in the summer so to each his own !

And yes I would recommend your product to anyone as an alternative option as I have never seen it "full enclosure" , I have seen ur partial dodger enclosure & was impressed

Hope to see u all @ the Victoria BC 150th birthday

just my 2 cents worth hopefully I did not meaningfully offend u , as I know u provide a great service to this community

Just sayin Thats All
J

[Tomfoolery]

Don't know about price but I just purchased a 96 X and it has some type of enclosure, 4 large panels with clear sections plus a bimini with zippers on all sides. The boat has snaps so you can see where it fits. I don't need it and am not going to try to put on the boat. The way it looks, it would be a 2 day job to get it on than I don't how you would get out. Have photos if anyone is interested. Don't need.
Appears it has only been used once.

Here are the pics schoon32 sent to me to post.

They don't look like Dowsar pieces. BWY maybe? Neither?

[Tomfoolery]