1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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kadet wrote:Here is why I wouldn't use Trojan T105s over proper deep cycle AGMs.

The true measure of the worth of a Lead Acid Battery is its weight as the lead plates are what determine its robustness and true cost/worth the rest is just cheap acid and plastic, lead is what costs the $$$ and gives the deep cycle perfromane.

A T105 weighs 28kg for 6V 225AH at 20hrs so you need 2 in series for 12v so 225AH for 56KG

The AGMs I use are rated at 12V 125AH at 20hrs for 36.5kg so 2 in parallel gives 250AH for 73KG here they also cost about $40 less per battery compared to T105s - I would love to get a T105 for just over $100AUD :(

T105s are still wet cell so they can spill when heeled, they are slow to fully charge and if one dies you only have a 6v system. They also should not be discharged below 50%.

AGMs are true SLA can be mounted at any angle, they can be discharged to 80% they can be high amp charged and if one dies you still have a 12v system.
I'm not saying the T-105's are the only way to go, but that one should not expect most group 24/27 batteries that are sold as 'deep cycle' to be 'true deep cycle'.

Here, I'm not aware of any of the AGM's that have the capacity you quoted being anywhere near the cost of T-105's or comparable 6 volt batteries.

I've run for hours with the boat heeled at 20 deg or so with no spillage problems and ....

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... I have both an amp meter and volt meter that I keep an eye on so have never come close to running a battery down. One does need to go down the road they are most comfortable with :wink: ,

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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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tlgeddes wrote:.....- right down the street is Costco where for a meager $60 bucks I purchased one of these new portable battery charger/emergency jump packs. Its Lithium and in fact does hold its charge. It is really great tech. The size of a hard drive from the 90's. I had an opportunity to try it on my completely dead 5.0 liter motor....not even the dash lights would turn on. It started that car in 30 seconds, no exaggeration....
Do you have a make/model on that jump pack. I have one that I'm sure would start any outboard but will not start my 5.7 Suburban engine if the battery is dead flat. Don't ask how I know :wink:

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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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1st Sail wrote:Looking for a good primer to research batteries I started here.
https://themarinebattery.com/#B00ACNO2AO

I most likely will go with 2 12v batteries, switchable via the Perko. I prefer a switchable battery bank vs 2 6v in series (presumably less expensive than 2 12v) as a stupid preventer. I have a 1 in 3 chance of selecting an inappropriate battery supply configuration 1, 2, 1&2.
Forgive me if I misunderstood what you wrote.. but if you are using a 2X6volt set you don't combine them using the perko. you would wire them up into a 12V battery with straight wire. so I do't see how you would select an "inappropriate" supply config.

Please let me know if I didn't understand you correctly.


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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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Hi Kevin,

2 ea 12v no 6V, 12v are wired to the Perko, bat 1, bat 2 or both (wired parrallel), b1, b2 or b1&b2, 12v on any selection. I believe this is the traditional config for the 2 battery Perko. Thanks for double checking!

Next up is selecting a battery monitor/combiner to handle charging from the OB. I will add solar later this year, gen set depending on how long we stay out in the future. Any recommendations are welcome. Attributes are ability to monitor bat 1, bat2, charging 1,2, all, compatible with solar in the future. Batteries will be AGM, dual deep cycle.

Thanks again for all the comments and help!

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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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Sumner wrote:
Do you have a make/model on that jump pack. I have one that I'm sure would start any outboard but will not start my 5.7 Suburban engine if the battery is dead flat. Don't ask how I know :wink:

Sumner
There is another one on Amazon that is 16000mAh but here is the Costco 8000mAh
Lithium Jump Starter and Portable Power Bank, it comes with a case that keeps all the cables contained.

https://www.costco.com/Lithium-Jump-Sta ... 12116.html
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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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I'm not saying the T-105's are the only way to go, but that one should not expect most
Agree horses for courses :) as I said if I could get T105s here for any where near $100AUD they would be at the top of my list but I can't they are $290AUD each :(

However I have a local AGM battery supplier that flogs 125AH true deep cycle ones for $245 so it is a no brainer :)

I just looked at US prices for AGMs you poor buggers are ripped off finally something we get cheaper :) Must be all the solar stuff we have here that drives the AGM price down 8)
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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

Post by jimmy alonso »

I just installed 2 AGM's a Trojan Overdrive Group 31 102AH and a smaller AGM starting battery it's the biggest you can fit in the small battery area on the 2004 26M. Two 6volts AGM's could fit and give you 200 AH and not have a start battery or put it someplace else is another option. Maybe next time Ill do that, comes down to personal choice and how you be using your boat. Trip is in May I'll see how the Trojan holds up.

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Re: 1ea. start and house bat or 2 house batteries?

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kadet wrote:
I just looked at US prices for AGMs you poor buggers are ripped off finally something we get cheaper :) 8)
Dont forget Epirbs Kadet, considerably cheaper here (or they were a few years go when I looked anyway). But yeah, thats about it :cry:
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