Sanipottie ability for pump out?

Post by **NiceAft** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:42 am

I have a 5 gallon Sanipottie, and I would like to convert it for pump out station use. I have not been able to find any information about this adaptation. Can this be done? Has anyone made this modification? From my observations, it seems that it is doable.

Ray

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Tomfoolery · Post by **Tomfoolery** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:21 pm

NiceAft wrote:Has anyone made this modification? From my observations, it seems that it is doable.

It's no actually a modification, as that unit was configured for pump out and vent from the factory. You're just missing the little spigots for the two hoses. But a quick check of parts sites doesn't show those parts as separate items.

I installed the same unit a couple of years ago, mainly so I could sail the Canadian side of Lake Ontario without worrying about getting gigged for having a porta-pottie (supposed to be a real MSD, not a dump-able PP). Pump-out hose to the deck with deck plate, and a vent on the side, with a high loop in the vent to prevent water from getting in if it got knocked-down and stayed there. I've never actually pumped it out, though - it was all for show. And nobody uses it anyway. But the admiral won't go on the boat without a head, so there it is.

Post by **NiceAft** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:39 pm

Your reason for making the mod is the same as mine.

I see that you joined this board in2011, so I will guess that you purchased yours when you bought the

, somewhere in the same time period, about five years ago

The Sanipottie in my

is as old as the boat. Twelve boating seasons ago, when I bought Nice Aft, I did not have the need for pump out, did not look for it, and there were no other parts (I keep everything) Now I have to search harder.

Thanks
Ray

Sumner · Post by **Sumner** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:40 pm

If you can't find the parts to do it maybe also consider a Thetford Porta Potti 260P MSD head that can be pumped...

https://www.google.com/search?q=thetfor ... 3&ie=UTF-8

You can find them for just a little over $100. It is 2.6 gallons and they have I believe a 5 gallon version if you have the height available for it.

I went with the shorter one since I needed the headroom. I put mine in to comply in Florida and if I was ever to go to Canada but so far it has been for looks only as ..

...I continue to use the Double Doodie bag head on the other side of the cabin,

More on both here...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner ... index.html

Sumner

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1300 miles to the Bahamas and back -- 2015

The MacGregor 26-S

The Endeavour 37

Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

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Post by **NiceAft** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:47 pm

Thanks Sumner,

It's always good to have a backup plan.

Ray

Tomfoolery · Post by **Tomfoolery** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:54 pm

The one that came with the boat was a bit old, but looked ok. Until I filled it with water and tested it. Nothing but clean water, but I found a crack in the bottom (holding) tank. So out it went. I got the same model as a replacement, but with the MSD version of the bottom tank, with hose connections. The standard bottom tank (non-MSD) definitely does NOT have those ports, and only has the big pour cap. So do look around for the adapters. If you don't throw things out, they've got to be around somewhere. Mine came with the same cap and plug arrangement you have on your pump-out and vent ports, along with the two two hose flanges with o-rings. I leave the hoses hooked up, but unscrew the flange nuts when I take the unit out for the winter (and I also dump out the clean water in the top tank - obviously

).

Bobglas · Post by **Bobglas** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:26 pm

I have a Westmarine MSD 5 gal. portapottie w/ fittings that you can have for free. We used it a few times,(3 yrs ago) wife hated it, especially when we would pump out after only a weekend (didn't like the idea of trailering it home) and they would charge $15!! Bought a Nature's Head and all is good. It's clean and just taking up space in my garage.

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:40 pm

NiceAft wrote:I have a 5 gallon Sanipottie, and I would like to convert it for pump out station use. I have not been able to find any information about this adaptation. Can this be done? Has anyone made this modification? From my observations, it seems that it is doable.

Ray

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Ray I believe I,ve got the same one & the top section is off right now as I drained out the top fresh water tank in the fall & I do not think it is back on so if I get a chance tomorrow morn I will take pic,s of the bottom section & my installation

J

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Ponaldpe · Post by **Ponaldpe** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:28 pm

Sumner wrote:
I went with the shorter one since I needed the headroom. I put mine in to comply in Florida and if I was ever to go to Canada but so far it has been for looks only as ..

...I continue to use the Double Doodie bag head on the other side of the cabin,

Sumner So the Double Doodie bag head dose not comply with Florida regs? I was under it impression Porta potties were allowed and did not need pump out? I do not know, just trying to find out.

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Sumner · Post by **Sumner** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:31 pm

Ponaldpe wrote:..... So the Double Doodie bag head dose not comply with Florida regs? I was under it impression Porta potties were allowed and did not need pump out? I do not know, just trying to find out.

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Depends on where you are and who is interpreting the law. You can't stay in Boot Key Harbor (public mooring field) without a pump-out head but in the past they gave you some time to comply (we left before the end of that period). You are under different jurisdictions down there, especially in the Key's Sanctuary. I personally believe that a porta-pottie or the bag head meets the law but wouldn't want to get ticketed and have to stay around to go to court and have to prove it. One thing that is often overlooked is there is a different set of rules, at least as far as the State of Florida is concerned I believe if the boat is under 26 feet and the S is 25 feet 11 inches, not sure about the X and M's actual length.

I never was stopped in the Keys except for the situation mentioned above at Marathon but have been checked at Fort Myers Beach and Marco Island. Once by the state of Florida and the other by the county. The last trip by the State and they didn't board me once I told them their were no thru-hull's and that the pump-out cover for the MSD head was right by the hand they were using to hold onto the Mac while they were next to me. Also when the County boarded at Marco once they saw the bag head and no thru-hulls they left.

Saying all of that if you don't want to stay at Marathon and have a porta-potty I wouldn't worry too much about it. Googling the subject it is hard to find definitive answers to the whole deal. I finally just decided to put in the MSD head and quit reading and worrying,

Sumner

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1300 miles to the Bahamas and back -- 2015

The MacGregor 26-S

The Endeavour 37

Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Mac-Venture Links

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:21 pm

Highlander wrote:
NiceAft wrote:I have a 5 gallon Sanipottie, and I would like to convert it for pump out station use. I have not been able to find any information about this adaptation. Can this be done? Has anyone made this modification? From my observations, it seems that it is doable.

Ray

O
Ray I believe I,ve got the same one & the top section is off right now as I drained out the top fresh water tank in the fall & I do not think it is back on so if I get a chance tomorrow morn I will take pic,s of the bottom section & my installation

J '

OK Ray
My Pottie !!!!
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... fgfdbh.jpg

notice the acrilic sub floor I installed to extend the floor out to support the whole base , beene,s holding tank split @ that point I believe due to not being supported properly there , but then again I have no insight as to what the heck he was doing in there to pound the holding tank that bad to split it open !!

J

Post by **NiceAft** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:39 am

Thanks John,

But the parts you indicated are not listed in the pages you posted. No hoses at all. I'm wondering if the parts needed are different from typical plumbing parts?

Can you also send a picture of where the vent hose exits the hull?

Ray

Ponaldpe · Post by **Ponaldpe** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:53 am

Sumner wrote:
Ponaldpe wrote:..... So the Double Doodie bag head dose not comply with Florida regs? I was under it impression Porta potties were allowed and did not need pump out? I do not know, just trying to find out.

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Depends on where you are and who is interpreting the law. You can't stay in Boot Key Harbor (public mooring field) without a pump-out head but in the past they gave you some time to comply (we left before the end of that period). You are under different jurisdictions down there, especially in the Key's Sanctuary. I personally believe that a porta-pottie or the bag head meets the law but wouldn't want to get ticketed and have to stay around to go to court and have to prove it. One thing that is often overlooked is there is a different set of rules, at least as far as the State of Florida is concerned I believe if the boat is under 26 feet and the S is 25 feet 11 inches, not sure about the X and M's actual length.

I never was stopped in the Keys except for the situation mentioned above at Marathon but have been checked at Fort Myers Beach and Marco Island. Once by the state of Florida and the other by the county. The last trip by the State and they didn't board me once I told them their were no thru-hull's and that the pump-out cover for the MSD head was right by the hand they were using to hold onto the Mac while they were next to me. Also when the County boarded at Marco once they saw the bag head and no thru-hulls they left.

Saying all of that if you don't want to stay at Marathon and have a porta-potty I wouldn't worry too much about it. Googling the subject it is hard to find definitive answers to the whole deal. I finally just decided to put in the MSD head and quit reading and worrying,

Sumner

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Thanks for the answer I do not care much for the porta potty but for now that is what I have, One day it will be replaced with " C " head or Double Doodie . The boat at one time must have had a pump out it has the fitting top side , no longer connected to any thing

Tomfoolery · Post by **Tomfoolery** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:01 am

Sumner wrote:One thing that is often overlooked is there is a different set of rules, at least as far as the State of Florida is concerned I believe if the boat is under 26 feet and the S is 25 feet 11 inches, not sure about the X and M's actual length.

The Mac sales spec sheet shows the

and

being 25'-10". My registration says 25 ft, presumably since it has no space for inches. Good for me, as I get the lower pricing tier for Erie Canal lock and bridge operation (26 ft and up is mo' money), though it's pretty cheap even for a bigger boat. And they do check the registration when buying a pass.

Just FYI.

Ponaldpe · Post by **Ponaldpe** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:15 am

Tomfoolery wrote:
Sumner wrote:One thing that is often overlooked is there is a different set of rules, at least as far as the State of Florida is concerned I believe if the boat is under 26 feet and the S is 25 feet 11 inches, not sure about the X and M's actual length.
The Mac sales spec sheet shows the and being 25'-10". My registration says 25 ft, presumably since it has no space for inches. Good for me, as I get the lower pricing tier for Erie Canal lock and bridge operation (26 ft and up is mo' money), though it's pretty cheap even for a bigger boat. And they do check the registration when buying a pass.

Just FYI.

So my registration says 25' 10" right on it as the length, that under 26. Good to know.

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