Looked at another boat...

[dlandersson]

I pay a guy about $60-$80 a month (once a month) to wash and wax my ba-bee.....

^60

, and $100/mo. hull cleaning.

A month? Do you have it cleaned every month or are you averaging annual cleaning out per month?

[dlandersson]

Another "+" in the column for Macs is that you can, if you want (or need to), drop the mast in your slip, to work on something. I don't like to do it - but I can - vs. the guys who have to make a special appt with the marina service guys to do something above 8 feet.

This is a valid point. Actually, even smaller boats like our Macs can get into trouble single handed when things go wrong. However, with the scale of the Mac, as you said, easier to pull up a 22 lb anchor than a 45lb one.

[Russ]

I pay a guy about $60-$80 a month (once a month) to wash and wax my ba-bee.....

^60

, and $100/mo. hull cleaning.

A month? Do you have it cleaned every month or are you averaging annual cleaning out per month?

It must be very shiny.

Another "+" in the column for Macs is that you can, if you want (or need to), drop the mast in your slip, to work on something. I don't like to do it - but I can - vs. the guys who have to make a special appt with the marina service guys to do something above 8 feet.

Good point. I NEVER unstepped the mast on my Hunter. Instead, I went UP a few times to fix stuff up there.
Also, no waiting for a boat lift and bozo yard staff to pull your boat, can do it yourself. That's a plus. Especially for me because we have no yard or boat lift there.

[dlandersson]

Woody wax non-skid

It must be very shiny.

[mastreb]

, and $100/mo. hull cleaning.

A month? Do you have it cleaned every month or are you averaging annual cleaning out per month?

In San Diego Bay, you have to clean monthly year-round. Six weeks and you'll have barnacle cement. Ask me how I know. Also I forgot to add the annual haul-out to change the gearcase oil in the sail-drive. That's another $2K per year when adding the zincs and the rest of the annual maintenance that you cannot do yourself when the boat has to be hauled.

[vizwhiz]

I saw a Fast 40 on its trailer for sale a week ago when I was in Maine...just sayin'

[mastreb]

At this point in my life I don't want anything I can't single hand.

This was my #1 criteria for our big boat, and it's what limited me to the 38' (well, that and money). I sailed the next size up and couldn't single hand it. The 38' on the other hand was actually easier to single-hand than a MacGregor. Mostly it came down to the position of the gunnel winches being right next to the helm, which meant that I could tack by releasing the lee jib sheet and then going to the windward helm to turn and haul in the jib sheet on the tack right next to it.

I personally thing being able to single-hand is safety critical, as is making sure all the crew can do it.

Matt

[kurz]

but getting that thing on and off the trailer makes a MacGregor look positively simple in comparison. Imagine four grown men tits deep at the launch ramp trying to get that thing back on the trailer for an hour and you get the idea.

I met this kind of Tri in Croatia when I wanted to bring my in the water. It was the syme easy thing to put it onto the trailer.
But the buy sayd that the weight on the trailer goes in the 3tonnes range.

In the corsair homepage the say the boat is 1400kg.. what I never believe anyway...

[Seapup]

Thanks for the ideas and opinions.

Only you can answer that, seapup. I gave up a three foot draft centerboard yawl with lots of space and bought a mac that I'm far happier with. It suits my sailing lifestyle better.
Ix

Yeah, That is what it boils down to. I am still in the air after we looked at it again on a sunny day. Debating the "opportunity costs" as Dlandersson said. Probably will pass on it for a few more years. Debating if more boat would make us less likely to do an evening sail for fun and put us into trips only. Handling the boat does not look much more difficult than the X other than its size docking. On the open water I think it would be great. The mast is 34' so sails are not that much larger and it is tabernacled so you can lower it yourself with the boom and mainsheet. (doubt I ever would). The boat design has some nice advantages the Mac does not, but then some big disadvantages too.

The problem with larger boats is cost. It's SUBSTANTIALLY more expensive to own a larger boat.

I agree as a general statement, I can see an initial 10k and more maintenance items, as well as a lot of labor. The recurring fees for this particular situation would be fairly similar to my X though. Difference of location and old boat I guess. Insurance quote is $60 more annually and my slips are flat rate so marina cost is the same. I have the X in the water year round so already paying annual slip fees and dealing with bottom maintenance. Both have new outboards. Haoulout/launch in DIY yard is $250 - but no trailer with associated fees and maintenance.

[Seapup]

Well after about a month and a half of planning, discussions and living on the X we decided to go for the iroquois. I got a price I was happy with and did the deal last week A lot of work ahead but pretty excited about it.



We are still sailing the x and living on it for the rest of the summer while working on the new boat...but if anyone comes across this thread looking for a nice ...

[yukonbob]

What no pictures??

[mastreb]

Well after about a month and a half of planning, discussions and living on the X we decided to go for the iroquois. I got a price I was happy with and did the deal last week A lot of work ahead but pretty excited about it.



We are still sailing the x and living on it for the rest of the summer while working on the new boat...but if anyone comes across this thread looking for a nice ...

Congrats! You'll love the bigger boat, but you'll also miss the Mac...

[Seapup]

Congrats! You'll love the bigger boat, but you'll also miss the Mac...

Thanks. We are on the mac everyday as its marina is our home base right now. I get occasional panic attacks going from it and stepping into the "project" and again coming back to the X since I have it set up exactly the way I want. I wonder "what am I thinking"

The Cat is coming along. I have been putting in 12-16 hour days at least 5 days a week on it. Hard to tell looking at it... I have it complety stripped to a bare hull inside, floors and windows out. All deck hardware off and and epoxy filled. In the process of recoring the entire cockpit sole and many small spots on roof and bows. The engine is frustrating, its missing the main jet which has been backordered for 2 weeks so can't actually take the boat out. (did one evening and wondered what the heck we were doing running with a motor that wont keep running more than a few minutes and dies off idle) Going to replace it eventually with a new one, but want to see how it moves the boat before deciding on what to get. It should start coming back together soon vs tearing apart.

What no pictures??

How about these beauties




Enough together again to look like a boat on the outside

[mastreb]

Don't worry about the interior. That'll buff right out.

[BOAT]

Well, Matt, I guess that's another way to get a really wide boat. I guess Benetue is not the only wide boat out there.