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Hey guys...yes it is departure time. We currently are having a beer at sailfish marina and planning to head out at about 3 am this morning.
We are planning on landing in west end at old baham bay at about 1 in the afternoon. The marina there is sold out so we may head to mangrove key after clearing customs and topping up with gas. It is really hot down here today. We will be posting pics on the admiral's website www.sailingtothebahamas.com
take care and wish us fair winds
thanks again for all the help :)
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I believe you have a typo in the url. The 'the' doesn't belong there. :wink:
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You are correct...i am in trouble with the admiral now :)
I guess i should know the website address by now
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<pst - hit 'edit' and fix it, and she'll never know. Mum's the word. :wink: >
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kasmith21 wrote:...We are planning on landing in west end at old baham bay at about 1 in the afternoon. The marina there is sold out so we may head to mangrove key...
If the departure was 3 am on the 23 the crossing was probably good but I don't know about going to Mangrove Cay. Winds were very light here this morning, Little Abaco, and I finally had to motor the last 8 miles into Fox Town. First time I had to use the motor since leaving Hard Bargain 100 miles ago. Since I got in here about 3 hours ago the wind is really ramping up and is suppose to be out of the east at 15-20 gusting into mid 20's for the next 4-6 days and maybe longer. Being out there trying to go east on the Little Bahama bank is not going to be fun. Looking at the charts it doesn't look like much in the way of protected anchorages at West End either. I'm not in a great one myself here at Fox Town.

If you guys can get to the Internet, bought time with Batelco, and see this in time I'll be at Fox Town to the end of this weather event as when I leave here I hope to do 3 days to FL and will look for a good time to cross the 'stream' as I don't want to get stuck at West End. Not sure if I'll go out there or Memory Rock at this point.

So if you see this think about stopping at Fox Town (gas here) and be careful,

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Hope Kevin and Karen are ok.

Winds in the upper Abacos have been at least in the high teens here today and I see where they have forecast seas at 4-5 feet. Not much difference in the forecast as far out as I can find (next weekend). Hope I'm not here much longer than that but I sure don't want to go from here to FL in 4+ foot seas even if they and the wind are astern. I'll wait if I have to and no place to really go west of here.

Last Saturday two guys in a small under 15 foot fishing boat had their engine quit on them and were adrift just off the north side of the Berrys where they had been fishing or shelling. One boat pasted them and they waved at it and pointed at the outboard but the boat didn't stop and offer assistance but went on and then called it in on the radio. The guys were brothers in their early 20's and the mom reported them missing that night when they didn't return home. A search began with no luck until Wed when I think a sailboat returning to the states found them well west of the Berrys where the wind and waves had carried them. They had no water and no food or a radio. The boat that picked them up said they were ok but tired, hungry and thirsty. They took them on to Florida so they must of been all the way over near the Gulf Stream. They were very luck to of been found. No way would I be out on these waters with a boat with one outboard on it but you see it all the time. I didn't see another boat the whole way across the Bight of Abaco.

I've also discovered that the new handheld with DSC doesn't reach out very far compared to the main VHF with the antenna at the top of the mast. So if one went in the water with the handheld there had better be someone withing a mile or so or you would just be talking to yourself,

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Has anyone heard from Kevin and Karen? Did they make it to West End? I haven't seen updates on their web site.

I'm a little concerned as working east from West End since Sat. would of been difficult. We have had a lot of wind in the high teens, gusting into the 20's and even higher. I'm not real sheltered where I am but being out on the Little Bahama Bank would of been much worst.

Not sure if they got a phone for here or a data plan for here with Batelco or not. If not I'm well aware of how hard it is to communicate. I'd for sure get them the next time, at least the data plan with an unlocked USB Dongel. Then you could use Skype.

I've tried them on the radio a couple times but that would of only worked if they were passing within 15 miles or so of me,

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Hi Guys....I apologize for the lack of updates. We had a good crossing on saturday morning but as Sumner and Chinook mentioned it has been pretty windy the last few days. Here is a brief scenario of the adventure so far...we will try to post some more details on the website tommorrow.
On sat morning we were up at 4am and headed out about 5 miles when a pretty substantial thunder and lightening storm could be seen approaching....it looked ominous. Rather than trying to risk it we turned around and headed back. At 7:30 the sky cleared and we had a good crossing in light winds and less than 2 ft seas. We hit a thunderstorn at 4:00 pm but it was relatively minor and we pulled into west end at 4:30 and quickly cleared customs. We picked up a slip at Old Bahama bay ($120) after taxes...not cheap) but had a relaxing nite and had fun at their junkaroo. Sunday morning we checked the forecast and asked the locals about our plan to get to Great Sale Cay....winds were forecasted at 15mph and seas at 2 to 4. The first couple of hours were fine but it really started to build by noon, so we decided to head to Mangrove Cay. We snuck in real close to shore in a protected little bay in about 2 ft of water....love the shallow draft of the macgregor in these kind of situations. We ended up staying 2 nites there as the high winds have been relentless. Yesterday morning we decided to change plans and head north east to Grand Cay. Grand Cay gave us a better angle against the strong east wind and it has provisions and a nice protected marina. The ride from from Mangrove cay to Grand Cay took us about 4 hours (24 miles and although the seas were probably 4 plus feet at times, the boat handled it nicely...although i was thoroughly soaked in salt water once we arrived.
Grand Cay is a delightful place. Sort of what I envisioned the out islands of the bahamas to be. Friendly people, a tiny generally well kept community and picturesque. We are probably going to stay here till saturday and then start heading southeast down the chain of Islands. Saturday the wind is apparently going to calm down and we should have several days of good weather.
Sumner - foxtown was an option for us instead of Grand Cay but it added another 15 miles or so compared to Grand Cay. Sorry our paths did not meet up....it would have been great to meet up with you. Keep safe and good luck on your crossing back.

thanks everyone for your messages and thoughts...we are having a great time and love the mac!
Cheers
kevin
ps...sorry for the typos ...im typing this on my smartphone and i have fat thumbs :)
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Well great to hear you guys are OK and not sitting out there on the banks all this time. This is a bad time to have to try and move east. Suppose to start calming down some and then maybe next week start to ramp up again according to Chris but sounds like next week isn't a given at this time due to a system down in the Caribbean that no one seems to know where it is going or what it will affect.

I hope to be in FL by then. When do you need to be back? Take care and be careful,

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Hi Sum,

We've been to Foxtown, and I can't think it's a very good place to be at in a blow. If you get a break, Moraine Cay just north of Foxtown is a really nice place to visit. Double Breasted Cay further west is also nice, with better protection and shallow water anchoring opportunity. If continuing west doesn't look good, you can always cut across Grand Bahama Island via the canal. You would need to lower your mast to sneak under the fixed bridge, which has 24 feet of clearance, as I recall. The canal empties out just east of Lucaya. You're really getting some tough windy weather. So glad you're picking your times to move, and that you have the luxury of time to do it in. You're correct in figuring that West End doesn't afford much in the way of anchoring opportunities in anything other than settled weather. Those marina rates have really gone up. They charged us $70 in 2004, and we opted to anchor in the little bay on the north side in settled weather when we staged there for our Florida return, in 2011.

You're becoming quite the salty dog. Hope the rest of your return to Florida goes well.
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Chinook wrote:Hi Sum,

We've been to Foxtown, and I can't think it's a very good place to be at in a blow. If you get a break, Moraine Cay just north of Foxtown is a really nice place to visit. Double Breasted Cay further west is also nice, with better protection and shallow water anchoring opportunity. If continuing west doesn't look good, you can always cut across Grand Bahama Island via the canal. You would need to lower your mast to sneak under the fixed bridge, which has 24 feet of clearance, as I recall. The canal empties out just east of Lucaya. You're really getting some tough windy weather. So glad you're picking your times to move, and that you have the luxury of time to do it in. You're correct in figuring that West End doesn't afford much in the way of anchoring opportunities in anything other than settled weather. Those marina rates have really gone up. They charged us $70 in 2004, and we opted to anchor in the little bay on the north side in settled weather when we staged there for our Florida return, in 2011.

You're becoming quite the salty dog. Hope the rest of your return to Florida goes well.
Hi, I'd move back west a few miles to Cave Cay where I came out of the Bight and it is right on the south route over to West End but no internet there and having internet where I can get to some weather has been worth it sitting here. Wind and waves on the nose only in the anchorage here so I sleep fine.

Moving north up where Kevin is would be nice if the weather was settled and I had the time but I need to try and make the crossing opportunity coming up Sat/Sun so going up there wouldn't help much but it looks interesting when I return (in a larger boat :wink: )

Not sure what I'm doing now. Wanted to leave here tomorrow but that would put me doing the stream crossing on Sunday unless I didn't stop and really don't want to go 150 miles in one long hop. Sat/Sun are the best opportunities to cross and after that Chris is not sure when the next opportunity will be due to the system in the Caribbean that might cause problems. He also recommends Sat. as early as possible since later in the day and Sun an increased chance of squalls with over 30 kt winds.

Really blowing here and has been gusting into the 20's. If if calms a little I'm out of here later today and just need to make West End by tomorrow sometime and then up at 2-3 am to get on with the crossing Sat. If that doesn't happen it will all move a day later and I'll have to risk the squalls more.

Kevin I'm posting this here and not under my trip report as hope you have this weather info also. Things could deteriorate next week if the deal in the Caribbean turns into a tropical low and heads for west FL. No certainty on that at the moment and even if it doesn't Chris is not optimistic about opportunities to cross back to FL next week. Hopefully you have a few weeks left over here,

Sumner

8 am Update: Looking at a couple different weather sites they give Sunday as having a lower chance for thunderstorms vs. Sat. so think I"ll take their advice over Chris's and that gives the seas one more day to calm down and better ESE winds vs. E on Sat. and puts me in a better window going in with the flood tide just after slack so I think I'll go back to leaving here tomorrow, West End on Sat. and FL on Sunday.

Of interest is that at the St. Lucie inlet currents run 3 hours behind the tides. Sunday low tide is at 1 pm so slack is actually around 4 pm and I'll want to try and go in between 4-5 pm if possible. For you guys with more HP this isn't quite as critical but they do say this can be one of the most dangerous inlets on the Florida's east coast, so if you use it check things out. Here is a pretty good link about it. Click on the link and then on the left side of the page go to "Save Boating Through St. Lucie Inlet" and click on it and it will download a PDF file.....

http://www.floridaocean.org/p/238/tide- ... WcKhlKRYzI

... currents in the inlet can run as high as 7 kts,

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8 am Update: Looking at a couple different weather sites they give Sunday as having a lower chance for thunderstorms vs. Sat. so think I"ll take their advice over Chris's and that gives the seas one more day to calm down and better ESE winds vs. E on Sat.
Mainland isn't going anywhere, have a safe trip back!
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Hi Sum
Thanks for the weather info.
I have been having some radio problems with my fixed VHF...I have an antenna on my mast that I installed on my Standard Horizon vhf and it was working great in March and getting me 20 plus miles reception...unfortunately it is now only getting me 7-8 miles, so I have been struggling with the NOAA forecasts (my backup west marine handheld seems to be getting better reception). Anyhow, we have been hanging out here in Grand Cay marina (Rosie's) until the weather clears some more. Tommorrow I think we are headed to Double Breasted Cay (short 3.5 mile trip and then on saturday if the swells are not too bad we will head to Moraine Cay on Chinooks advice. Grand Cay is very nice but we have been here for 2 days and it is time to move on if weather permits. We have to be back in Florida by June 18 so we have some time....but it has been crazy windy here the last few days.
Sum- be careful on the crossing back. We are going back lake worth inlet which is very well marked and pretty straightforward for navigation.
I had dinner at Sailfish marina and was talking to one of the young guys working the docks about getting a slip the nite before we left. He suggested that after dinner I just grab one of the private mooring balls that are not being used . Apparently there are several that are rarely used and he said if they are notl by 9pm your fine just grabbing one....you may want to try that yourself instead of the St. Lucie inlet.
Keep well and thanks so much for the updates on your trip and your weather insight...as always much appreciated and taken into consideration.
Cheers and safe travels
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Hi Kevin,

We found some nice snorkeling at Double Breasted Cay and Moraine Cay. It was a little tricky finding a patch of sand to drop the hook into at Moraine, lots of grass there. Moraine is a private island, but I was talking with a guy at the fuel dock at Foxtown, who said it would be ok for us to go ashore and walk the beach. The guy I was talking with was acting as something of a caretaker at the time. He also said the owner had a MacGregor. While we were there, we got buzzed by a small plane, and I figured it was probably a friend of the owner who saw our boat and thought it was the island owners'. There was a small house on the island in 2004 and not much more. I managed to spear some lobster and grouper while there, and also got visited by a large shark while snorkeling. Hopefully, the weather will allow you to visit. Another place we enjoyed was Manjack Cay, where we tied up on a mooring ball in the cove on the west side of the island.
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kasmith21 wrote:Hi Sum
Thanks for the weather info.
I have been having some radio problems with my fixed VHF...I have an antenna on my mast that I installed on my Standard Horizon vhf and it was working great in March and getting me 20 plus miles reception...unfortunately it is now only getting me 7-8 miles, so I have been struggling with the NOAA forecasts (my backup west marine handheld seems to be getting better reception). Anyhow, we have been hanging out here in Grand Cay marina (Rosie's) until the weather clears some more. Tommorrow I think we are headed to Double Breasted Cay (short 3.5 mile trip and then on saturday if the swells are not too bad we will head to Moraine Cay on Chinooks advice. Grand Cay is very nice but we have been here for 2 days and it is time to move on if weather permits. We have to be back in Florida by June 18 so we have some time....but it has been crazy windy here the last few days.
Sum- be careful on the crossing back. We are going back lake worth inlet which is very well marked and pretty straightforward for navigation.
I had dinner at Sailfish marina and was talking to one of the young guys working the docks about getting a slip the nite before we left. He suggested that after dinner I just grab one of the private mooring balls that are not being used . Apparently there are several that are rarely used and he said if they are notl by 9pm your fine just grabbing one....you may want to try that yourself instead of the St. Lucie inlet.
Keep well and thanks so much for the updates on your trip and your weather insight...as always much appreciated and taken into consideration.
Cheers and safe travels
Kevin
Glad you have the time into later June. I've seen pictures of Double Breasted and it looks great. You should have some great times on the trip. The wind here today wasn't near as bad as the last couple. I'm leaving in the morning, almost did today but I'm glad I waited. There is a difference in what is possible and what is enjoyable. I hope to have the later the next 3 days.

I never thought about using the weather on the VHF this far over but just tried it and I could pick up NOAA just fine and I'm 140 miles due east of the Florida coast . I was pretty amaze at that. I've been listening to Chris on the SSB Sony (receiver only) the whole trip for weather and strongly suggest someone that is coming over invest in one. More info on it here...

http://1fatgmc.com/boat/mac-1/2015%20Ba ... age-3.html

I'm headed for St. Lucie as I won't have to fight the stream so much. I'll have a good angle on it and can actually use it to help boat speed over ground. Also I want to avoid the ICW below there if at all possible. You have more power available than I do :) .

Take care the rest of the trip and enjoy it. I have and plan on coming back, hopefully with the Endeavour,

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