One year later, trying again.

[BOAT]

Yeah, I think that's true but I never figured out why. LA people pretty much stay in LA. I don't see a lot of LA people all over the place when I travel. There does seem to be a lot of people from everywhere in LA, but that never really bothered me. I am a native of California - I was born here so to me seeing people from all over the world is just normal to me. I don't know why so many people moved to California, but they came in droves and droves up until about 10 or 15 years ago then it started to taper off. There are a LOT of people here! California is NOT the place to be if you don't like people - they are all over the place. They are everywhere.

I have never been hassled in any other state with our california plates except Idaho. Cops knocked on our camper door in a campground because they thought our rig "looked suspisious" to them. (?) That's another place we avoid. (The wife and kid said Idaho was too boring and did not want to go back anyway, but I kinda liked it). One thing about Oregon, we do meedt people and they will talk to us and we share the campfire and enjoy the company but they are very vocal about hating everything about California. In Idaho we could not even get people to talk to us except the bikers - they were nice.

The south is our favorite. We LOVE to travel the 10 freeway cross country from Beumont to Florida. The country is fantastic and all nature like and animals and trees and the people are really laid back - they don't seem to be afraid of us Californians at all and seem to treat us well like we were an oddity or somthing entertaining. Traveling in the south is a blast.

[PNKFLOYD]

We Southerners love the money the Califoria tourists spend to listen to us say' "Y'all come back, ya'heer!"
Mike

[BOAT]

Southern people do lots of fun stuff too. It's just more fun in the south and the people like to do 'stuff' with other people. They don't seem to hate people at all in the south. They seem to like each others company.

[Baerkanu]

There are a LOT of people here! California is NOT the place to be if you don't like people - they are all over the place. They are everywhere.

I grew up (mostly) in the Northeast, lived in CT, high school in NH, college in NJ - beautiful place, too damn many people. There's a reason I moved to Wyoming. We've gained 100,000 residents since I moved here, but haven't broken 600k total yet. If I go out to the main road and turn right, the next town is 110 miles. OK by me.

RE fueling in NJ, I don't get it at all - I don't remember having full-serve as a requirement back in the early '80s.

- Clay

[Russ]

Having lived 8 loooong years in central NJ, when I make my frequent biz trips to NJ or NYC now, I actually avoid buying gas in NJ. I fill up in PA so I have enough to get back to PA without stopping.

I'm afraid I no longer 'get it'.

I lived 40 Loooong years in central NJ. When I go back and visit I want so bad to jump out and pump the gas myself for as slow as most of those attendants are.

A couple of times the issue came up to allow self serve. The argument was that it's safer to have an attendant pump the gas. The belief is that cars would be blowing up all over the state if folks tried to pump gas into their own cars. *shrug* I guess they know more than the other 48 states and rest of the world. I had a job pumping gas at a Hess station when I was in high school. I knew it was't rocket science.

[BOAT]

Men women and children in 48 states have been pumping thier own gas for 30 years with no problems. Are you sure it's a saftey issue and not really somthing else?

Anyways, I remember staying in a campground in New Jersey at the Liberty Harbor Marina. From there we could see New York and we had fun riding the subways and going to Times Square and seeing lots of boats too!. Those folks there go sailing a lot and the weather was great when we were there. 80 decrees and a great breeze righ on the water while we rode the ferry boat to the Statue of Liberty. It was fun. We even got a great meal for very little mone right off times square at a little irish pub around the corner!! The food was GREAT!!

We like New York and New Jersey and are going to go back but I don't know if we will take 'boat' with us. I realized that I never really knew what a bagel tasted like until I went to the Wonder Bagle in New Jersey. Only thing about New Jersey is it seems like the streets were always torn up with repair crews.

[Tomfoolery]

Southern people do lots of fun stuff too. It's just more fun in the south and the people like to do 'stuff' with other people. They don't seem to hate people at all in the south. They seem to like each others company.

My oldest son spent last summer playing collegiate summer ball for the Edenton Steamers, and we went down for a week to watch them play. What a hoot! Being originally from the metro NYC area, we have a hard enough time with the friendly folks up here. It was real culture shock down there (and what's with the cut up donuts and sweet tea? ).

We're seriously considering SC for retirement. With boating.

[Russ]

Men women and children in 48 states have been pumping thier own gas for 30 years with no problems. Are you sure it's a saftey issue and not really somthing else?

Ya think?
I guess sarcasm is lost in forums.
It was always comical when politicians would claim safety as a reason for not pumping your own gas. Most of us knew how ridiculous that sounded. Nevertheless, many women with fancy nails preferred to not pump their own gas.
For me, it irritates me to have someone pump my gas. If you say "Fill it" they try to round it up to the nearest dollar. Sometimes this means overfilling it. I knew someone who ruined their emissions control stuffs from petrol forced into the tank vent from overfilling. Don't overfill, it's a bad thing.

Anyways, I remember staying in a campground in New Jersey at the Liberty Harbor Marina. From there we could see New York and we had fun riding the subways and going to Times Square and seeing lots of boats too!. Those folks there go sailing a lot and the weather was great when we were there. 80 decrees and a great breeze righ on the water while we rode the ferry boat to the Statue of Liberty. It was fun. We even got a great meal for very little mone right off times square at a little irish pub around the corner!! The food was GREAT!!

We like New York and New Jersey and are going to go back but I don't know if we will take 'boat' with us. I realized that I never really knew what a bagel tasted like until I went to the Wonder Bagle in New Jersey. Only thing about New Jersey is it seems like the streets were always torn up with repair crews.

A Campground at Liberty Harbor? I don't remember that. There is a park, but didn't know it had camping. New York Harbor is no place to sail. Been there, done that and the wind is Always crazy and in the wrong direction. Then you have tugs with 12 barges behind you. Not fun.
We used to travel from Sandy Hook bay up the East River to Long Island Sound. It's a scenic trip, but has some hairy currents and such. One of the boats in our group (A Clipper Marine 30 like Mr. Gary's) had a center cockpit outboard. Weird configuration that depended on a blower to vent the exhaust. It didn't really work and he couldn't keep up with the group. So we ended up putting in at the Brooklyn Navy yard. Well, as soon as we tied up, we were greeted by some armed personnel who said, "This is government property". Eventually they realized the situation and baby sat us (armed) until the tide changed. Fun times.

Growing up, 42nd street and TImes Square was for hookers and drug dealers. Guiliani threw them all out and now Disney owns it all. Weird contrast.

[NiceAft]

If you say "Fill it" they try to round it up to the nearest dollar.

Not anymore Russ. As soon as they hear the click of the handle, that nozzle is out, and on to the next guy. Bim, Boom Bam and you atta derr.

Ray

[BOAT]

Yup http://www.libertyharborrv.com/ and it's really a big gravel parking lot with spaces marked off for motorhomes, but it's the only campground there. They don't have sewer in the sites but they do have a dump station. It's a long walk all the way around to the Statue ferry. And to get to the PATH subway you just walk down the street past the light rail that goes to Hoboken

The rabbit was a big hit at Times Square.

[Russ]

Not anymore Russ. As soon as they hear the click of the handle, that nozzle is out, and on to the next guy. Bim, Boom Bam and you atta derr.

Ray

True if you pay with plastic.
Offer them cash and they are rounding it up to the dollar so they don't need to touch coins. Not such a problem when gas is $1.00/quart. Then rounding up to the dollar isn't adding much to the filler tube. When I pumped gas last century, it was a little over a buck a gallon and rounding up added a lot of gas.

I've seen people try to fill that thing to the cap, not a good idea. Cost a buddy $500 for a new carbon vent canister.

[Ormonddude]

The South has a lot to offer most people know nothing about but we do try to be somewhat friendly sometimes when I am cast netting bait and am covered in mud a tourist will pull up and want my life story and I have to give them the cold shoulder (I am working here people and ya just spooked a school of mullet I was about to throw on) or worse want to take a picture of me covered in mud LOL Y'all just need to realize some parts of Florida are not Disney world LOL But I know sugar mill ruins and Indian burial mounds all sorts of cool stuff not really on travel guides.