Winter Project

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Re: Winter Project

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FinallySailing wrote:Great looking bowsprit ! You are doing a great job on your "classic". Do you plan to box the batteries in ?
No box I only will put a couple of soft items in front of the batteries. Batteries are sealed and mountable in any position.

Another full weekend of work (including friday) and everyting is just about done.

Laz is cleaned up nothing left in there except gas can. Have the wires secure. Both battery power wires have been protected with sheathing where they pass thru the cockpit and you will never see them again.

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Permanently mounted a cooler and tied the drain into the sink drain. I do not think I have ever used the table.

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Cleaned and organized inside, ran outboard for about 30 min. All that is left now is to mount boom vang and boom kicker. Install more genoa T track for 150. Make and install cunningham. Wait for sails to show up. Pay for sails (ouch).
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Re: Winter Project

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Real nice work...
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Re: Winter Project

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Grady ...you are going to have to rethink that gas line routing. I don't think that primer bulb will be rated for below deck use, nor that fuel hose. I could be wrong these points though.
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I Strongly agree, The S has a built in locker were the fuel tank is air locked from main cabin and any fuel lines should be in that contained area.
Maybe it is and picture doesn't show it.
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Catigale wrote:Grady ...you are going to have to rethink that gas line routing. I don't think that primer bulb will be rated for below deck use, nor that fuel hose. I could be wrong these points though.
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Re: Winter Project

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Catigale wrote:Grady ...you are going to have to rethink that gas line routing. I don't think that primer bulb will be rated for below deck use, nor that fuel hose. I could be wrong these points though.
You are probably not. But it looks so clean now.

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It was set up with the tank in the laz when I purchased it and there is no way I am going around with a fuel tank in the cockpit with me. The installation of engine and controls look professional.

I will make sure the lines and connections are always in tip top shape. As soon as something shows signs of wear or damage I replace it. I could argue that it is in a storage compartment not below deck. :)
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Re: Winter Project

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DaveB wrote:I Strongly agree, The S has a built in locker were the fuel tank is air locked from main cabin and any fuel lines should be in that contained area.
Not really air locked. You can stick your fingers through from the aft berth into the lazarette. In summer particularly, I have a strong petrol smell from the tank in the cabin :cry: .
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Grady, or others, what are your thoughts on using PVC boards (1/2"thick x 6" w) for securing batteries. Bonding PVC to fiberglass hull. Are there any issues with bonding PVC to fiberglass? I have several other repairs and or mods that would have a few less steps using PVC vs wood. Thanks

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Looks like a nice Breezy project. I went for a ride in one years ago at OSHKOSH. What a ride and view of the fly-in!
How are the full flap landings with the C-150 wings? Must be pretty short.
What year is the Bonanza in the background? Is it a project or is it airworthy?
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Good question Chris, PVC normally requires a dedicated solvent cement not suited for fibreglass. And epoxies might not offer a strong enough surface bond to the PVC for the kind of loading you'd want it to withstand.

If it was me, I would consider the use of fibreglass polyester resin, which would bond well to the fibreglass with proper surface prep, and make the interface with the PVC mechanical (as opposed to chemical) by drilling an appropriate size and number of holes so the resin could fill them on installation. Or otherwise undercut or dovetail the PVC as much as possible so the hardened resin fully contains the PVC.

Depending on the specific details of the project, it might be helpful to use PVC solvent cement to attach "feet", or attachment tabs made from pieces of PVC,to the main PVC part, that would be fully captured and held down by the fibreglass resin. Apply glass fibre with resin if needed to fillet and strengthen the structure with gussets.

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Y.B.Normal wrote:Looks like a nice Breezy project. I went for a ride in one years ago at OSHKOSH. What a ride and view of the fly-in!
How are the full flap landings with the C-150 wings? Must be pretty short.
What year is the Bonanza in the background? Is it a project or is it airworthy?
The flaps are blocked at 30 deg since at full power and full flaps you can barley maintain altitude. At full flaps and no power you can push the stick fwd to the stop and you will go about 65kts and you will hang on the seat belt. IF the wind is around 15kts you can land on the numbers and will stop before you get off the numbers. After all this boat work I am hoping to get it flying by the end of the year. The bonanza is a 59 and is completely airworthy in the past 7 years me and the owner have gone thru everything, tail, gear, engine, propeller all avionics. It has an Aspen PFD, garmin 430 and 650, active TCAS. Bran new paint last year. It is a joy to fly and take trips in.
Sailing Virginia wrote:Grady, or others, what are your thoughts on using PVC boards (1/2"thick x 6" w) for securing batteries. Bonding PVC to fiberglass hull. Are there any issues with bonding PVC to fiberglass? I have several other repairs and or mods that would have a few less steps using PVC vs wood. Thanks

Chris
When bonding different materials you need something that is compatible with both. Not sure what would work but when I am not sure I always default to PRC-1422(or 1425) B 1/2 (or any B number It represents working time in hours). Kind of pricy but works well. I am lucky I just about have a free endless supply of "out of date sealant" from work. It has a shelf life of 6 months so after that we can not use it at work. So we dispose of it properly AKA use it at home.
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Re: Winter Project

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Thanks Seahouse and Grady. I will use plywood instead as the battery mount must be secure and able to take some punishment when mounted in the bow.

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Re: Winter Project

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Ok one more full day of work and I have the billage pumps installed. One port and one starbord. The starbord one discharges out the port side and vise versa. I mounted the discharge as high as possable without having to cut the inner liner.

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Port pump

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Starboard pump

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Hopefully the weather will be good next week end so I can get it out. Once I get it rigged up I can install a boom-kicker, vang and Cunningham. New main and spinnaker will be here on Monday. Can not wait to get it out and test out everything (except billage pumps :D :D ) Altho I probably will use a bucket to put water inside to test them.
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They are here!

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And my new spinnaker also I will try to get some pictures with them flying.
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Re: Winter Project

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Grady-DO you have to put any valves in with the bilge pumps where they go thru the hull? Why run the starboard to the port and vice/versa?
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Re: Winter Project

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jtis1 wrote:Grady-DO you have to put any valves in with the bilge pumps where they go thru the hull? Why run the starboard to the port and vice/versa?
My guess is he doesn't want to need check valves. If healing heavy and one thru hull ends up submerged, it's uphill for water to enter the boat via the hole.
In addition, I hope he's got a tall loop way up high. Water will still go in the thru hull and will follow gravity down a bit if there is no loop. I can envision tacking and having a 1/4 hose full of water enter the boat each tack.

I don't know how it's run. I never like seeing thru hulls on the side of a sailboat without a loop way up high.
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