I'd be interested in hearing others' experiences with pointing in their 's and 's. I've been extremely surprised by my 's ability to point within 20-25 degrees of the wind using the rotating mast, and on my boat, an adjustable backstay that takes slack out of the forestay.
In some cases, the wind indicator at the top of my mast has appeared to show me sailing at less than 10 degrees to the wind, but I'm thinking that has to do more with apparent than actual wind because sailing that close to the wind just doesn't seem logical/possible.
What's your experience with your and ? Has anyone put an mast on an ? How close can you go?
Thats one of the good things with 26X or M.......it seems to point directly into the wind really well too All jokes aside the mac will never be known as a high pointer but that doesn't matter...we tend to go where the wind or tide takes us...no point in fighting nature too much as we sail for pleasure
You might be able to jam the boat up into the wind by sheeting everything tight but it's not productive. The boat will stall and go sideways. Foot off a bit. Make an extra tack. The boat must have way on her to perform because the dagger board and rudders are a thin narrow winglike design.
bartmac wrote:Thats one of the good things with 26X or M.......it seems to point directly into the wind really well too All jokes aside the mac will never be known as a high pointer but that doesn't matter...we tend to go where the wind or tide takes us...no point in fighting nature too much as we sail for pleasure
Pointing ability depends on the quality of your sails and the skills of your "trimmer". A well made 110 jib will easily out point a 150 genny and a quality (not OEM Doyle) will reduce healing and provide more drive = better pointing. A skipper that can read his tell-tails will maximize his sail performance = better pointing.
I have a mast and KH C2000 sails on my
I am not going to right a lot here I am to busy preparing for the coming zombie apocalypse. So just look search the subject twin head sails and you will get all the answers you need.
Gentleman Sailors don't beat to windward!
I must say in winds of 8 knots or more with a 110 jib (2 years old) and 7 oz main with two top full battens(4mo. old) I usually can do 40-45 degrees off the wind. At 12 knots wind I can get under 40 degrees but speed and heel isn't worth it.
I usually do about 45 degrees as I don't want to look up all the time to look at teltails for max. speed and sailing for many years I don't have to.
Actually the Mac.X or M is good until you beat to windward against a Mac.S or D.
Dave
bartmac wrote:Thats one of the good things with 26X or M.......it seems to point directly into the wind really well too All jokes aside the mac will never be known as a high pointer but that doesn't matter...we tend to go where the wind or tide takes us...no point in fighting nature too much as we sail for pleasure
We've upgraded to KH C2000 main and 150 genny......to get a genny made here in Oz was more than the main & genny from KH USA including freight....advantage of mass production.Must say though much better sails than the stock ones even though they didn't look as though they'd been used much....sold the main for $400 and kept the jib...will look to do a HIGHLANDER as soon as I find a reasonably priced furler for the jib....genny & jib on furlers...all controls back to cockpit....now for the lazy jacks and singleline reefing......beem me up scotty!!!!!to heaven....I forgot maybe reefing main?....got the 12V drum anchor winch but have to make an anchor rest/bowsprit setup...push button sailing ....well anchoring
Ummm. I see the guys with thousands of posts under their belt on this forum are keeping their keyboards locked on this one and letting dreams exist. (Or letting the bait go untouched..) I should know better, since once, when I was a newbie here, I got a challenge on one of my sailboat endeavors that I bragged about and got a criticism that made me cranky.
So I have no excuse for stirring this pot, creating mayhem and malice, and worse, by saying, "An X or an M can only point 60 degrees to the wind." The ONLY reply here challenging that my claim is false that I will accept is a GPS tracking overlaid on Google Earth imagery. Four port tacks and four starboard tacks. Each tack to be 1/4 nautical mile or more. The calculation will be by bisecting the average port tack with the average starboard tack. (Example, a protractor overlaid on the two tacks shows 120 degrees, therefore you have pointed 60 degrees to the wind.) Any takers?
I might take you up on that if my boat was in the water. In calm water with a hank on jib and a nice clean bottom I think she'd do better, or at least the M would. Or at least mine would. In any chop it might be closer to sixty. The ability to point well depends on so many things. Plus a bit of skill. This boat loses way quickly so you have to stay on your toes to keep her moving in the lulls.
Ixneigh
This subject is similar to the talk people have around the bar after a day of motorcycling.....mine goes faster,mine makes more noise,mine is bigger,look I've not fallen off.....recently,and no officer I was NOT exceeding the posted speedlimits....seems to be an argument some people have to win and if that's the case you've bought the wrong boat.
Hey Opie, have you sailed on one with a standard Jib? I'v heard they point at around 50 with the Gen, but with the standard jib that I have, its more like 45.
opie wrote:Ummm. I see the guys with thousands of posts under their belt on this forum are keeping their keyboards locked on this one and letting dreams exist. (Or letting the bait go untouched..) I should know better, since once, when I was a newbie here, I got a challenge on one of my sailboat endeavors that I bragged about and got a criticism that made me cranky.
So I have no excuse for stirring this pot, creating mayhem and malice, and worse, by saying, "An X or an M can only point 60 degrees to the wind." The ONLY reply here challenging that my claim is false that I will accept is a GPS tracking overlaid on Google Earth imagery. Four port tacks and four starboard tacks. Each tack to be 1/4 nautical mile or more. The calculation will be by bisecting the average port tack with the average starboard tack. (Example, a protractor overlaid on the two tacks shows 120 degrees, therefore you have pointed 60 degrees to the wind.) Any takers?
Thanks for all the good-natured posts. Honestly, my intent wasn't to claim bragging rights on pointing, just to see what others are experiencing.
The reason I ask is because the windvane at the top of my mast sometimes shows me very close to the wind, and I'm wondering if there's something I'm not taking into consideration when looking at it. Maybe I'll try to take pictures of it on my next sail to explain what I mean. It could be that I just don't know how to determine how close to the wind I am.
Anyway, I'm wondering if apparent wind has anything to do with it. How far off true wind can apparent wind be? If not with a vane, how do you determine where the wind "truly" is?
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