Wing Dings

A forum for discussing topics relating to MacGregor Powersailor Sailboats
Post Reply
User avatar
Crikey
Admiral
Posts: 1833
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Washago, Muskoka, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Singularity.Suzuki DF60A. Boat name: Crikey!

Wing Dings

Post by Crikey »

OK, I know what they are, but my question is can you overdo it? Is it silly to have too many of them?
They can be positioned at the leech, or the luff. The foot or the head. On whatever sail, you'd like!

Seeing your s'posed to adjust the lift center of the sail, fore and aft, with a healthy dose of outhaul, cunningham, uphaul or boom traveler - what's the point of limiting yourself to just a few?

Any experienced voices out there? :)
K9Kampers
Admiral
Posts: 2441
Joined: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:32 am
Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
Location: NH, former 26X owner

Re: Wing Dings

Post by K9Kampers »

Google Translate can't translate from AUS to ENG... what do we in the northern hemisphere call a Wing Ding? :wink:
User avatar
Crikey
Admiral
Posts: 1833
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Washago, Muskoka, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Singularity.Suzuki DF60A. Boat name: Crikey!

Re: Wing Dings

Post by Crikey »

You know ... the little ribbon thingy attached to the sail side.
(Edit: (To monitor the air fleau))
:(
K9Kampers
Admiral
Posts: 2441
Joined: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:32 am
Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
Location: NH, former 26X owner

Re: Wing Dings

Post by K9Kampers »

Oh... telltales... :)
User avatar
Crikey
Admiral
Posts: 1833
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Washago, Muskoka, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Singularity.Suzuki DF60A. Boat name: Crikey!

Re: Wing Dings

Post by Crikey »

Like I said!
:D
dlymn
Deckhand
Posts: 26
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:27 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Adelaide South Australia

Re: Wing Dings

Post by dlymn »

Can't have enough tell tales. Google Arvel Gentry and read any of his papers about using telltales and "gentry tufts". I put a window in the jib and 3 pairs of telltales in the window. Sailing upwind means keeping all of those telltales streaming.

I also have telltales along the luff of the jib. The top telltale is a good indicator of whether you have the sheet fairlead correctly set, The idea is to move the lead block until the topmost windward telltale is streaming along with the lower telltales. If you move on and off the wind all of the windward telltales should break at the same time.

The leech telltales on the mainsail help you set twist. Start with the top tell tale streaming and then adjust outhaul, vang, mainsheet so that all the others are streaming too.

That is a simplistic description on how to use them. The more you read about them, the more you'll see how useful they are. Even the big racers trim their sails by them.
User avatar
robbarnes1965
Captain
Posts: 563
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:58 am
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: (BYC)Montreal, Qc Macgregor 26m-2007 "Miss Coco" - after my daughter, 50hp Honda

Re: Wing Dings

Post by robbarnes1965 »

I have added a few along from front front to back to compensate for the disappearing act of the luff telltales when the sails are furled. Vertically I think 3 is enough. I will ad some ribbons to my stays however as it's hare to see the vane when the bimini is up.
User avatar
Crikey
Admiral
Posts: 1833
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Washago, Muskoka, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Singularity.Suzuki DF60A. Boat name: Crikey!

Re: Wing Dings

Post by Crikey »

When I shopped for, and applied six to my previous boat's mainsail (three on each side of the luff) I remember coming across quite a lot of variation in fabrics, lengths and attachment methods. Is there a preferred length for the sail sizes a MacGregor uses? Wouldn't a very light fabric give a better flow reading, or am I splitting hairs on something very basic?
Someone at our last marina had his main luff festooned with a TELLTALE (!) just about every foot up the mast. It looked like a Christmas tree and left a piece of adhesive behind every time one detached - which looked to be pretty often! I'm very reluctant to punch holes in my gear to use the other type found on the market.
:?
User avatar
robbarnes1965
Captain
Posts: 563
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:58 am
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: (BYC)Montreal, Qc Macgregor 26m-2007 "Miss Coco" - after my daughter, 50hp Honda

Re: Wing Dings

Post by robbarnes1965 »

I just got the stick-on ones. I don't think 10 would be any more useful than 3. Just makes it look ridiculous :)

I like the thinnest ribbons. I also keep Static Gard on board to keep them flying.
User avatar
mastreb
Admiral
Posts: 3927
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:00 am
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Cardiff by the Sea, CA ETEC-60 "Luna Sea"
Contact:

Re: Wing Dings

Post by mastreb »

<crazytalk>
So how about drilling some tiny holes in the mast at 1' intervals along both sides of the mast slot, seal the mast head and foot, and then use a smoke machine with a hose connected to the base to pressurize the mast with smoke vapor any time you push a button on the helm.

Then you get perfect streamlines all along your mainsail any time you want. You'll see exactly what's going on with the wind, and nothing will be visible when you're not using it.

www.smokemachines.net
</crazytalk>
User avatar
Crikey
Admiral
Posts: 1833
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Washago, Muskoka, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Singularity.Suzuki DF60A. Boat name: Crikey!

Re: Wing Dings

Post by Crikey »

Would one of those smoke shop vaporizers do? :D :D :D
User avatar
Russ
Admiral
Posts: 8305
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:01 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
Location: Bozeman, Montana "Luna Azul" 2008 M 70hp Suzi

Re: Wing Dings

Post by Russ »

mastreb wrote:<crazytalk>
So how about drilling some tiny holes in the mast at 1' intervals along both sides of the mast slot, seal the mast head and foot, and then use a smoke machine with a hose connected to the base to pressurize the mast with smoke vapor any time you push a button on the helm.

Then you get perfect streamlines all along your mainsail any time you want. You'll see exactly what's going on with the wind, and nothing will be visible when you're not using it.

http://www.smokemachines.net
</crazytalk>
I'm calling Larry Eliason now.
User avatar
Catigale
Site Admin
Posts: 10421
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:59 pm
Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
Location: Admiral .............Catigale 2002X.......Lots of Harpoon Hobie 16 Skiffs....Island 17
Contact:

Re: Wing Dings

Post by Catigale »

1 inch intervals all the way around to make sure you study the entire flow field

Better yet, buy a laser to do it
Post Reply