more than 1900kg in the MacGregor Trailor

[kurz]

Hello
I Just got my 26m from the USA.

In Germany they changed all things so you can now use the original MacGregor aluminium Trailor in Eruope.
I already have papers.

But MacGregor just give 1900kg. This is very less as you know. With motor an the rest you are over.

Do you know if MacGregor can get more load if there are breakes mounted?

Thanks for every help

kurz

the trailor now has brakes and handbrakes and all the lights you need here. Originally threre were no brakes ordered.

[mastreb]

Hi Kurz,

1900kg is a lot more than the empty combined weight of the boat, trailer, and typical outboard which is 1560kg according to the MacGregor website. You have about 300kg of cargo weight as well.

Where did you get information that the boat exceeds 1900 kg?

Matt

[c130king]

I weighed my back in September. With trailer, motor, mast, sails, and all the normal stuff inside (cushions, 2 x anchors, life jackets, dock lines, spare parts, etc...) the whole thing was 4200 pounds.

I think I read the trailer is about 700 pounds (2005 steel trailer).

So my boat with everything is about 3500 pounds...which is pretty close to Matt's 1560 KG.

Cheers,
Jim

[Boblee]

Well got to agree with Kurz I don't know how the boat could be less than 1900 KG with even basic additions.
When I last weighed ours it was 2250kg and that was with no travelling supplies.
Jim your 4200 lbs is 1905 KG add extra batteries, fuel tanks, water tanks, electronics, fridge, potti etc and even without filling tanks, bedding, food extra sails or ropes and raising gear etc you are well over.
The trailers should be rated at 2500KG or 5500lb if being used for anything other than strictly daysailing, if more trailers were weighed there would be some surprises especially when looking at how some boats are modified.

[kurz]

ok, the trailor got complete breakes, actuator, extra backlights, that are required in europe. This gives to the trailor 300kg. So just the boat got 1500kg. give the Motor 60hp with 120kg, alreadey you are over 1900kg. No second battery, no food, no tank...
So nobody got mor kg from MacGregor to improve the trailor capacity when there are breakes mounted?

[Trouts Dream]

Well got to agree with Kurz I don't know how the boat could be less than 1900 KG with even basic additions.
When I last weighed ours it was 2250kg and that was with no travelling supplies.
Jim your 4200 lbs is 1905 KG add extra batteries, fuel tanks, water tanks, electronics, fridge, potti etc and even without filling tanks, bedding, food extra sails or ropes and raising gear etc you are well over.
The trailers should be rated at 2500KG or 5500lb if being used for anything other than strictly daysailing, if more trailers were weighed there would be some surprises especially when looking at how some boats are modified.

Jim states that his boat is already loaded at 4200 lbs. I have found that for most trips I provision pretty close to the ramp including water and fuel to keep the boat as light as possible when trailering. I have a 1997 X with the steel trailer...I'm more concerned about the tow beast for weight.

[Boblee]

Yep most of the gear including anchors and tucker, fuel, water, solar, gennie and clothing etc etc is loaded at launching but just basics for a day sail bring you over, mind you we do have brakes and a spare tyre along with perhaps 40kg of strengthening to the trailer.
It's surprising how it all adds up but the basic trailer has no room for any extras and a Mac without mods or extras would be pretty boring and not much better than the pack after all one of the advantages is that they are basic and can be made to suit but you need to beef up the trailer if you do.

[c130king]

Well got to agree with Kurz I don't know how the boat could be less than 1900 KG with even basic additions.
When I last weighed ours it was 2250kg and that was with no travelling supplies.
Jim your 4200 lbs is 1905 KG add extra batteries, fuel tanks, water tanks, electronics, fridge, potti etc and even without filling tanks, bedding, food extra sails or ropes and raising gear etc you are well over.
The trailers should be rated at 2500KG or 5500lb if being used for anything other than strictly daysailing, if more trailers were weighed there would be some surprises especially when looking at how some boats are modified.

Jim states that his boat is already loaded at 4200 lbs. I have found that for most trips I provision pretty close to the ramp including water and fuel to keep the boat as light as possible when trailering. I have a 1997 X with the steel trailer...I'm more concerned about the tow beast for weight.

Boat is 3500...trailer is 700...total is 4200. And of course if I really wanted to I could take the sails and boom off and put in or on top of the SUV...along with both anchors and pretty much all the other gear and spare parts. But that would only get me a couple hundred pounds.

I am ordering a new aluminum 2-axle trailer on Saturday.

My trailer is 6+ years old and has some rust...and no brakes...and I have some trips planned this year (if the Jacksonville, FL guys will get busy and plan the get-together).

Jim

[Phillip]

Kurz.
I have been thinking about your question "Do you know if MacGregor can get more load if there are breakes mounted?"
Is your trailer braked?
We are talking about a braked trailer.
I would be surprised if you can register an unbraked trailer for 1,905kg

These are the conversion rates for those trying to follow weights quoted in this thread.

1 kilogram = 2.2046 pounds (actually 2.20462262 pounds)
one pound = 0.4536 kilograms (actually 0.45359237 kilograms)

Yes Jim, those figures are smack-on.
I went thru all my trailer weigh certs (many) and they range from 260kg-340kg.
Every boat thru, has been held on the crane hook, and weight read. I never record it, but i don't think we have ever had one over 1,350kg, and it had a lot of gear in it.
The "Current Mac" weight of 1,156kg for an empty boat is 100% correct.
Add a Yamaha 60hp 4 stroke at 108kg, or E-tech 50hp at 109kg, means you are under 1,300kg, then an alloy trailer at 260kg takes you out to 1,560kg.
That leaves around 350kg for extras, and that is a lot of weight for a trailer sailer - which is what these boats are.
I like your idea of a new alloy dual axel. A picture will be required of course.

Cheers
Phillip

[mastreb]

Keep in mind that adding an axle to the existing trailer isn't necessarily a good idea. The axles are sprung for the expected 4000 lb. weight. Adding a second set of springs will make the trailer much bouncier with the boat on it, whereas a properly loaded single axle will flex correctly and the boat will remain still.

A trailer made with two lower rated axles would be the ideal case, primarily for the tire redundancy.

I'll grant you the boat does look odd being so large on a single axle, but it's an extremely light boat for it's size.

[kadet]

I went thru all my trailer weigh certs (many) and they range from 260kg-340kg.

That is a big variation, were they all aluminum trailers?

Regards

PK

[Phillip]

I went thru all my trailer weigh certs (many) and they range from 260kg-340kg.

That is a big variation, were they all aluminum trailers?

Regards

PK

Sorry, steel and alloy.
Steel being the heavier. Many had a spare wheel attached too.

Cheers
Phillip

[Boblee]

Phillip
My boat has been weighed on a public weighbridge three times now, the last time 2250kg was with only two batteries, no fuel, water, clothing, food, solar panels, ropes, spare sails, anchors, prop, pottie, cushions or mast raiser etc but it does have an aluminium arch (light), very light aluminium fittings internal, a water pump, filters, and an aluminium 100l water tank (light) and bladder, an evercool fridge (23kg) Raymarine auto pilot, chartplotter and sounder combo along with vhf and 27meg radio's and am/fm stereo, mast and both sails and two 45l plastic fuel tanks (empty) the trailer would weigh a bit heavier as an extra berth has been added and longer springs along with a little webbing and bracing but can't see how that could make up the extra 560kg above your heaviest combo with (a lot of gear on it) at 1690 kg.
Maybe I should check mine again or at a different weigh station as I have almost fallen over each time it has been weighed thinking it would come in way under the 1900 kg using the figures supplied.
To add another axle would add at least 120kg at a guess.

[Highlander]

I figure my boat & trl weighs in @ around 4800 to 5000# when loaded for cruising the trl is rated for 4300# so I am going to add a second axle rated the same as the original with-out brk's, as we are talking independant torsion suspension here their is no transfer of weight from one axle to the other to distribute the weight as their is in regular spring tandem suspension !

J

[Phillip]

Something's unusual Bob.
Don't mean to be a richard-head, but are you sure it's a MacGregor made MacGregor you own
(Sorry, couldn't help myself).
I have heard you mention weight issues before, so last time I had the crane in, I raised the issue with the driver, so he put the legs down (Macs are so light he never does this), leveled up, lifted, we steadied the boat, and he read off the weight. We did it 3 times with an 04, and same with an 07.
Didn't record the weights as they were all around the 1,300+kg.
Nothing that worried me anyway.
Weighing trailers is a different matter. I go to a weigh station, separate vehicle from trailer, pay my money, and get a certificate which I need for registration.That has to be accurate.
If your bare Mac was 1,150kg, and a steel trailer 340kg, that's around 1,500kg. At 2,250kg, you got 750kg's extras. The boat carries it, the trailer carries it, the tow vehicle pulls it, so guess the issue is academic really.

Cheers
Phillip