KH Slug kit install

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KH Slug kit install

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Here's the post I had mentioned about installing the Kelly-Hanson Sail slug kit. The instructions they send are pretty minimal (but then it is a very simple process) and also a bit incorrect. So I figured I'd take pics and write it up.

First, here's the kit you receive,

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You get 15 slugs, 15 shakles, 15 screws and also a sail-stop shrink wrapped together. The also send you a print out of instructions which you can find the text of in this thread:

http://macgregorsailors.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=10654

The steps I used are pretty simple.

1. I laid my sail out on the driveway and anchored it down with some rocks.
2. I attached all the slugs to the shackles. You'll have to break a bit of residual plastic from the shackles to get them apart.
3. Plan your spacing. The kit comes with 15 and the spacing they send you doesn't even come close to working, they say there will be 12 of them used and 3 spares with a 12" spacing. So unless you've put 14' or so sail on that ain't gonna cut it. To get things to work well I had to use all 15. I started 15" from the head, per the included instuctions, then placed every 18" until I got to the reef point. (mine is a stock sail with a single reef)

Looks like this from the head:

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4. I started by laying the shackles next to where I wanted them to end up, and then clipped them on.

Like this:

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An important thing about attaching them, you ought to put them so the posts that you screw through are right up against the bolt rope, this will prevent the tension from being placed on the sail and will make sure it is on the bolt rope.

Here's a shot:

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5. With this spacing I ended up 14" above the reef point. This looked good so I then added the next one 14" below the reef point and then continued the 18" spacing until I had used all the slugs. After everything was installed I tested reefing the sail and it works perfectly to allow reefing without removing the stopper.

6. Screw everything together. One problem I have is that the kit some with flathead screws. I have no idea why this type of screw still exists. On some of the shackles it was pretty difficult to get the screw started and having the screwdriver slip around while trying to apply pressure and hold a tiny screw was not fun.

Screwed in looks like this:

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One important thing to note, the instructions say something to the effect of "don't worry about over tightening", what they actually mean is make sure you don't come close to over tightening. The screws are long enough to punch right through the backside and the last thing you need are a bunch of metal points sticking out on a sail. I found that if I placed a finger on the back side as I tightened them I could feel a bump forming before it punches through and then I'd back off a touch.

Anyway when it's all done you'll have something like this:

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It's a simple process and took less than 30 minutes.
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Post by c130king »

Deja_Vu,

Thanks for the pics. I just bought 20 shackles and 20 slugs for $25 plus $7 for shipping. Already have a sail slug stopper so I didn't need that. Will be installing on my new sail from KH Marine...eventually.

I like KH Marine...have ordered over $350 of stuff from them...but you can get this same package for much cheaper from Sailrite.

Just food for thought.

Jim
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Post by deja_vu »

Well liking or disliking KH is a whole different topic....I'm still waiting to see what they are going to do about an issue with my order (which was around $1100). I just bought everything on my mods list for this year from them for two reasons, their support of this board and the fact that they have some kits that supposedly put everything together for you and I just don't have time to shop all over. But the overall experience of shopping with them left much to be desired. That's a post for another time though and a different section of this site :).

Anyway the above should work for any screw type slug kit that you can get. Maybe you could tell us the part numbers you got from Sailrite so peopel would know what to get to go that route?
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Post by c130king »

Did a search for Sail Slugs and found this thread from March 2006:

http://macgregorsailors.com/phpBB/viewt ... =slug+size

And specifically this post from DLT:
Below is my invoice from Sailrite:

SL# ItemCode Item Description Qty Price Discount Amount
1 23319 Slug Nylon Round 3/8" (Each) 20 $0.40 $0.00 $8.00

2 3543 Sail Track Stop Round (Each) 1 $8.50 $0.00 $8.50

3 24105 Shackle Plastic Screw-On 5/8" 20 $0.80 $0.00 $16.00

Shipping & Handling $7.71

T o t a l $40.21
The website is www.sailrite.com

The slugs are now $0.45 each. Shackles are still $0.80. Did not price the Track Stop since I didn't need one.

The search function on this website is invaluable IMHO. Pretty much anything that has to do with Mac's has probably come up before.

Jim

ON EDIT: And I don't want to talk bad about KH Marine...but. So far I am pretty happy, but their "Steering Wheel Lock" is listed as "in stock" but it isn't. They told me it would be a few weeks before they get one. In my case that is not a big issue as I won't be installing it until December.

But they have some cool stuff for me to waste...er...I mean spend...my money on. I am thinking I need to get one of their 18" or 20" Destroyer Steering Wheels.
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Post by Oskar 26M »

Thanks for a very informative and well illustrated post. Much appreciated :)
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Post by deja_vu »

I got the 18" wheel from them as part of this order, I really like it, money well spent.

Here's a pic:

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I've also got the brake on back order, last email I got said about three weeks out which is after an email saying a week or two that I got a week or two ago. I also noticed the website says in stock ready to ship as well.
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Looks good. The 18" wheel on Defender is nearly $200 if I remember correctly.

I will probably go ahead and order it. But I am getting to the point where I have so many little projects to do when I get back to my boat I may spend more time working on it than sailing it...

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I would like to add ...

Post by TAW02 »

Yes, there is a little something that I would like to add to this post.

The sail track stopper thingy. It's a knurled knob that screws into a short chunk of 3/8ths steel rod. Fits into the mast track. Or supposedly does. If you are the original owner of your M and find that this sucker doesn't fit into the slot, your first thougts will be to get a big stick or tire iron and prise it wide open. Really hate to think about doing something like this. Butchery is what that's all about.

What I did was to lower the friggin mast and run the sail stop from the top of the open track (top of the mast) and down to the area where it will be needed. Come 'on think of it. You aren't going to need to remove it anyway. Sure beats screwing up a nice mast.

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Post by c130king »

I pried mine open a little bit...didn't need too much. But you can't really notice it unless you are working right there on the mast. Doesn't look bad.

I take my sail off everytime I trailer so I remove my sail stop every time and run all the slugs out the gap.


Works fine. YMMV.

Jim
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:D :D Pardon that bit of a chuckle at newbies suffering over the sail stopper.
You're gonna hear that puppy go 'kerplunk' someday.
Shortly afterwards, yer gonna hear its ten-dollar replacement making the same sound.

About this time, you'll search the archives and decide you don't really need a ten-dollar twistee thinga-mabob. You'll do as many X-boaters have done, and drill a 3/16ths hole thru both lips of the mast track, inserting any handy quickpin, or even a bolt. A cheaper alternative is just a short length of 3/16ths line, ends tied off to the cleats on either side of the mast (and avoiding any holes thru the mast track).
Sail-stoppers are simply one of West Marine's membership antes for newbie sailors~! :wink:
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Post by Moe »

Frank, if they can't get the sail stop in through the gate, it isn't going to easily come out and fall overboard. The gate on our 26X mast was larger than the stop, which had a tether on it to keep from losing it. The gate on our C-18 mast is so narrow I had to pry it apart slightly to get the stop in and it certainly isn't going to fall out. It sounds like the gate on the 26M mast is similar. Yes, a piece of shock cord (bungi) tied around the mast will do the same thing, but just because someone uses a stop doesn't justify labeling them as a "newbie." I'm certainly not.
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Post by Highlander »

The 08 26M has a slot cut out of the mast on one side of the track Notched out

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If you trailer then either remove the stop or peen the end of the knurled knob so it doesnt walk off and disappear....BTDT
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Post by Frank C »

Hmmm ... hope nobody else takes offense to my good-natured joking.

It's not that there's anything wrong with a knurled-knob sail stopper, except that we're inclined to believe it's 'necessary' when the Mac is our first boat. In fact, it's a solution that works fine, for many sailors, for many years.

I used them myself for about 3 years. And I didn't lose either one from simply 'falling out.' But sail stoppers seem to have an inate proclivity to flip from the hand or slip from the fingers. That's followed by a unique specific gravity that draws them from deck to drink. So be it.

Upon hearing the second one splash, I just decided a replacement wasn't necessary.
  • Cut a piece of cord to about 15 inches, tying a large bowline into both ends.
  • This leaves about a 5-to-7 inch strop with loops on each end.
  • Thread the loop thru the mast cleat & hook over the top horn.
  • Stretch under the mainsail and then double-loop around the other mastcleat.
  • Use the saved ten bucks for a six-pack of Corona ... enjoy!
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Sail sto happen again and have a sppper

Post by atzserv »

Frank,

I lost my sailstopper just like you mentioned, in the water it went. I ordered 2 more thinking I would have a spare.

learning about the string trick I haven't used them since.

Last Sunday I reefed for the first time, I had 2 lines, one tied to a slide for regular raising and a second for reefing setting. I didn't think of bowlines for the setup and just tied with a bowtie, well of course it came loose when I dropped the mainsail and all the slides came out making a mess. Next visit to the boat gets your idea put into use.

Thanks for the tip,

Gary
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