The difference between jib and genoa cars?

parrothead · Post by **parrothead** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:14 am

I don't believe the Garhauer jib cars that were previously supplied by MacGregor are available any longer from any source.

I ordered a pair a year ago from Kelly-Hanson [based on a photo that was then on thier web site], and what I received was a set of genoa blocks [which is what my dealer had provided when I bought the boat in '05 - even though I opted for the standard jib rather than the Genoa]. When I questioned K-H, they said there was no longer a difference between the harware that MacGregor supplied for the jib vs. the Genoa, and that the jib cars were no longer available from Garhauer. They have since removed the old photo from their site.

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:50 am

You guys must be wheatie eaters compared to this limp wristed liberal...I cant trim my genny by hand in much over 10 kts..

Post by **NiceAft** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:15 am

I want to make certain that I understand the term "using the winch".

The sheet goes around the winch and then into the jam cleat. When letting out or pulling in the Genoa, I simply grab the sheet, release it from the jam cleat, and either pull or let out. I never have needed to place a handle in the winch and crank.

If not using the winch handle for the Genoa sheet is not using the winch, then I have never used the winch.

Ray

P.S. I don't think the wrist muscles in this case are the problem. It's more trapezius and deltoid muscles

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:00 am

My tax and spend muscles are fine, thank you.

Post by **NiceAft** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:20 am

When are you going to publish a book on "Catisims! The wit and wisdom of Stephen"

Ray

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:29 am

My favourite drink...

Cat -n - Tonic

beene · Post by **beene** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:30 pm

Does it come with an umbrella?

G

delevi · Post by **delevi** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:07 pm

If not using the winch handle for the Genoa sheet is not using the winch, then I have never used the winch.

Yes the handle. Without it, the winch adds no power. Try going out in 20 kts wind and trimming that sheet without mechanical advantage

Post by **NiceAft** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:52 pm

Leon said:

Try going out in 20 kts wind and trimming that sheet without mechanical advantage

I was only trying to clarify my understanding. Peace brother

Ray

Moe · Post by **Moe** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:35 am

I could be wrong, but as I recall the cabin top tracks were 1" (25mm). For that width, Garhauer has the:

LLC-25US 1,500 pound working load $46.59 each

LLC1 2,000 pound working load $48.92 each

LLC2 3,000 pound working load $65.00 each

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Moe

parrothead · Post by **parrothead** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:50 am

Thanks, Moe. I guess they have simply been dropped by MacGregor [and by K-H] because the genoa blocks are cheaper [how novel!]. Garhauer also lists this one for $48.92 -- nice looking, but no specified working load. http://garhauermarine.com/images/product/LLC-1UB.jpg
Now I'll have to decide which variety to order

Doug

beene · Post by **beene** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:17 am

One could really get carried away at a Garhauer booth while going to a boat show.......

Right Guys.....

G

Frank C · Post by **Frank C** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:18 pm

delevi wrote: . . . Try going out in 20 kts wind and trimming that sheet without mechanical advantage

Beg to differ ...

Simply an issue of line-leverage, granting tho, it's prolly not as taut as you'd choose.

delevi · Post by **delevi** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:50 pm

Simply an issue of line-leverage, granting tho, it's prolly not as taut as you'd choose

???? Leverage? Frank, how are you getting leverage on a jib sheet?

Rae,
I wasn't trying to be a smartass. If I sounded like one, sorry dude.
Just making the point that in 20 kts+ the loads on the jib are huge... I'm guessing a few hundred pounds. One would have to pull the sheet with both hands to trim it in w/o a winch, even so, to sheet it in tight on a beat, I think not.

Leon

Frank C · Post by **Frank C** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 pm

Easier to demonstrate than describe. CAll.

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The difference between jib and genoa cars?