Fully equipped 2008 Mac M

[Divecoz]

CDI FF2 BB
sailboatowners.com $435
Mauripro $438
Mauipro also has rollers to fit our boats from $435 to $1250
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As for sailing a bare boat sure we have, and still do to some extent.
Its like any hobby / sport you can up-grade to your hearts or your wallets desire.

I cross country skied and even competed regularly, in the 70's. I had very little money back then but was still blowing away most the competition, using an entire equipment package that cost less than many of those folks bindings did alone. I am older now with more money for toys / hobbies.
The Bimini is just a $300 umbrella ,Full seat cushions could be replaced with the 2 cheap floating cushions that we have to give my 5' wife a bit of a boost / floating phone books No stove but we /I chose to spend $150 on a tiny S.S. BBQ what the heck was I thinking or some might say that anyway. You don't need a Roller but its nice. Look in wallet, whats in there answer is yes or no. Bare Bones or the boot stripe below the water from all the stuff have on-board you'll have fun.
Again back in the late 70's me and two buddies drove my 1976 CJ5 w/ Hooker Headers to Snowbird ( yep No Porsche 411 no Beemer 2002)from Eugene Or. I dont think we had a $1000 worth of gear total. NO fancy ski cloths at all just, Jeans, Flannel Shirts, Down Vest and Cowboy Hats .
We skied everything they had to offer and out skied most who were there , dressed to the 9's as they say.
Frosting often is just that . . . .the frosting

[Terry]

I am curious if there are any MacOwners who have the bare boat and are happy with sailing/motoring it without any added goodies.
No stove built in, no CDI, no Bikiini, no cockpit cushions, no nothin' 'cept bare Mac.
Anyone like that. ?

I never wore a Bikiini when I first got the boat, and I sure ain't gonna wear one now!
We did get the few basics when we first started out like the stove, engine & small jib, that's about it. We never even had Power Squadrons or a GPS, or depth sounder, started out a couple of morons with no common sense, not even charts. Our first season was just day sailing in the bay getting our feet wet, it was not untill the second year when the club invited us on cruises that it became apparent we were not properly equipped. Since then we have aquired a whole lot more including some well needed education through Power Squadrons. It's like the saying goes, "you don't know what it is you don't know till you find out what you don't know" The main thing is you learn how little you know! (also learned how much it costs to really appreciate boating). Not everyone gets to start out with the full cruising package but in our case we only added when circumstances dictated it. Now my desires dictate it, my wallet is the only hold out left standing.
Nice to hear someone else had an appreciation for X-country skiing, those were the good old days. Glad I did it then cause blood clots in my leg today have put limitations on me.

[Trouts Dream]

Personally I think its age that increases the cost.

49 now and when I was 30 no problem scrambling to the front to lower the jib. Bad weather just made it more thrilling. Now I need most lines led aft, bimini (don't handle the heat like I used to), roller furler (excitment now overshadowed by the time it takes to recover from injuries), full cockpit cushions (need to nap more often).
OHH to be young and poor again.

[Divecoz]

Personally I think its age that increases the cost.

49 now and when I was 30 no problem scrambling to the front to lower the jib. Bad weather just made it more thrilling. Now I need most lines led aft, bimini (don't handle the heat like I used to), roller furler (excitment now overshadowed by the time it takes to recover from injuries), full cockpit cushions (need to nap more often).
OHH to be young and poor again.

Looking back I have often said that myself........ 56 and retired here, life is good but it was faster when I was young and often the night wasn't over till the sun came up...

[Retcoastie]

Oh, to be 49, or even 56, again..................

[Divecoz]

I guess I could or should map quest it but is Gray Hawk near the Kentucky / Barkley Lake area?
OK I went and looked and no it is not. So where the heck do you sail down there or am I missing something?

[pokerrick1]

I'm with Ray - - - why would you need both a jib and a genoa on a roller furhler? To use the jib, just unfurl the genoa 70% or so (back only to the mast) - - - no need for both sails - - - genoa serves as both depending upon how far one unfurhls it.

Rick

[beene]

Not true guys.

The sail shape of a reefed Genny is not comparable to that of a jib with the same sail area.

Not to mention where the sheets are located for increased upwind sailing angle with the jib.

Look at how high the foot of your sail is when the Genny is reefed, nowhere near as good as the jib foot location.

Mind you, unless you are racing or really trying to tweak you boat speed or performance, I just keep the Genny on the furler and do exactly what you guys area saying.

For the small amount of money the jib costs, at the very least it is always good to have a backup sail onboard.

G

[beene]

Ray

Are you a Highlander wannabe with two Jibs?

Yes!

I would love to have 2 head sails.

Don't think I would sail it cutter rigged, but to be able to unfurl the sail for the conditions....... me likes that idea.

It is on my list of desired mods in the future.

G

[Terry]

Ray

Are you a Highlander wannabe with two Jibs?

Yes!

I would love to have 2 head sails.

Don't think I would sail it cutter rigged, but to be able to unfurl the sail for the conditions....... me likes that idea.

It is on my list of desired mods in the future.

G

Well, I have two head sails, but they are hank-ons. It is advantageous to be able to make a choice of sail before heading out and this is the main reason I have not aquired a furler yet. I realize I will pay more $ for a furler that will accommodate changing the sail before heading out but I have invested to much $ into my boat to start backing out now, so I am still researching a furler selection. Perhaps Rogers anticipated new furler invention will be the answer, if not, I will eventually spend the required $.
Yes, I am a Highlander wannabe too, I envy his rig!

[Highlander]

I disagree with you Beene,

Once you have sailed that 26M of your's cutter rigged you ain't going back to a sloop rig baby


Jib stay sail


cutter rig

1/3 genny


unfurling to 2/3 genny & no round -up

Pic's compliment's of Beene "I just stole" them from his photobucket site
Beene we'll go out in my boat next season & give you a taste ! then we can easily cutter rig your's & see the diff. . Just thought of something maybe thats not such a good an Idea ! You'd be faster than me then

Well maybe not after I install a 26X boom & mainsail onto my 28ft mast

Cheers John

[bscott]

Terry,
If you are planning to change head sails on a furler, make sure the foil has two(2) grooves and use two halyards so you can add the second sail while the first one is still on the furler. Unfortunately, only the high end furlers have this feature--so changing sails on the fly is not easy to do.

The advantage of using two sails is that a genny with a roller reefing luff pad will not be efficient because the reefing luff pad disturbs the air flow over the draft which decreases the pulling power of the sail and as previously stated, the sail shape of either sail is not optimal while reefed, even with a luff pad. If the wind conditions merrit reefing the jib, then you might as well roll in the jib and sail with the main only

To fully optimize the sail shape of any reefed headsail you have to be able to move the jib/genny cars forward/aft to aim the sheets towards the mid point of the sail while reefing. The tracks on either the X or M are not positioned properly on the cabin top to adjust the lead angle of the sheets for all the reef positions availiable to a roller reefing furler.

[Highlander]

I know of a "Woman" sorry guy's who bought & installed 6ft tracks to her 26M on Lake Couchiching Ont.
She bought them from a local sail loft in Barrie Ont.
Maybe she looks at this site , would be nice if she were to post some pic's
Beene this is up in your area any Idea who this "mystery Woman" is

Cheers John

[Terry]

Terry,
If you are planning to change head sails on a furler, make sure the foil has two(2) grooves and use two halyards so you can add the second sail while the first one is still on the furler. Unfortunately, only the high end furlers have this feature--so changing sails on the fly is not easy to do.

The advantage of using two sails is that a genny with a roller reefing luff pad will not be efficient because the reefing luff pad disturbs the air flow over the draft which decreases the pulling power of the sail and as previously stated, the sail shape of either sail is not optimal while reefed, even with a luff pad. If the wind conditions merrit reefing the jib, then you might as well roll in the jib and sail with the main only

To fully optimize the sail shape of any reefed headsail you have to be able to move the jib/genny cars forward/aft to aim the sheets towards the mid point of the sail while reefing. The tracks on either the X or M are not positioned properly on the cabin top to adjust the lead angle of the sheets for all the reef positions availiable to a roller reefing furler.

bscott:
Not sure if I fully understand your second paragraph - did you mean to say dis-advantage at the outset?
I really need the furler for ease of single handing to roll the headsail in upon return to the marina. I have become spoiled with the option of choosing headsails before heading out and am loathe to give it up for only a genny or jib to reef on a single furler. The two grooves and halyards sound cool but it is unlikely I will change sails on the fly. Where I sail one can easily assess conditions and decide on a sail choice before leaving the slip, therefore I wish to have the ability to change sails, mast up, at the slip, it may not even require two halyards tempting as it seems. I simply want choice and ease of using it and am willing to pay the premium. Any more suggestions?

[baldbaby2000]

We used to live on our Mac 25 for a week at a time without a lot of stuff. We had a propane stove sitting on the galley and a boom box bungeed to the table. Sometimes I miss the days when my life was much simpler!

Daniel